How to identify, rip and flag forced subs from BD

Originally Posted by Chetwood

... If you extract them from the m2ts with TSmuxer, you'll end up with PGS files that can be openend in BDSUP2SUB...

That is right.

But

Originally Posted by Chetwood

... where you can also see if they are flagged as forced.

that is wrong.

I cannot see any subtitles flagged as forced.

Only MakeMkv indicates there are forced subtitles when it is to merge an .mkv file out of .m2ts streams.

I can watch them only when they are merged in an .mkv container. They are not displayed when they are in the Blu-ray stream.

But,
eac3to can extract a .sup file from the .mkv container and this .sup file contains the forced subtitles only, although the .mkv has been merged with the the .sup file extracted from the .m2ts streams.

And this eac3to .sup file can be muxed/demuxed, using tsMuxeR and the forced subtitles displayed from the tsMuxeR generated .ts/.m2ts files.

The same .sup file cannot be process by BDsup2sub nor by Subtitle Edit.

p.s. When I'm talking forced subtitles it means subtitles that behave as forced.
I haven't seen them in any subtitles editing or ripping software. I have watched them when displayed by a player and they behave just as forced.

[bigotti5]

These subtitles are burned in...
Open 00506.m2ts in your preferred player, around minute 14.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by SpasV

Yes, I'm sure.
These subtitles are displayed when Rottmayer (Arnold Schwarzenegger) speaks German in the Box (around 00:51:30 - 00:52:25). So, they should be and they are in the BD release.

Gah! I just tested my rip and I don't have any subtitles there. Let me dig up the original disc and I'll get back to you.

[Chetwood]

Originally Posted by SpasV

But that is wrong. I cannot see any subtitles flagged as forced.

It's not wrong. It simply means there are no items flagged as forced, similar to #3 of my initial post.

Originally Posted by SpasV

Only MakeMkv indicates there are forced subtitles when it is to merge an .mkv file out of .m2ts streams.

This is wrong. MakeMKV does not indicate anything, it simply offers you to extract only forced subs from ANY sub stream whether they have forced subs or not. You can only find that out after ripping the tracks and not upon load.

Thank you very much for answering me.
And I'm sorry I made mistake. The subtitles I thought were forced turned out to be embedded into the video stream.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by SpasV

These subtitles are displayed when Rottmayer (Arnold Schwarzenegger) speaks German in the Box (around 00:51:30 - 00:52:25). So, they should be and they are in the BD release.

I just checked the original (US retail BD) disc and there are no subtitles there. Even if I turn on the English subtitles there is no translation of his German.

Thanks for the wild goose chase.

[Chetwood]

Bigotti5 already said they were burnt in?

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Chetwood

Bigotti5 already said they were burnt in?

There are subtitles burnt-in elsewhere in the movie, but none on the German shouting at 0:51:30.

[bigotti5]

They start at 0:52:41 ("I can hear you" ...)

[bmcelvan]

I've been playing around with subtitles for a while now and trying to figure out the best way to deal with them. What are peoples thoughts about using handbrake and encoding at CQ18 and burning them directly into the video. Is there any downside? I say CQ18, but does anyone else have a value they think better to use? Only way to burn or hardcode is to re-write the video, yes?

Thanks

[Chetwood]

Yes, and since this thread is about problems ripping the video you should take your encoding quality question to the Handbrake forums.