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23rd July 2015, 01:50 | #1 | Link | |
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Thor: a new codec from Cisco (reference implementation available)
Cisco presented Thor, a new royalty-free video codec, at the IETF93 meetings in Prague. A high-level description of the codec was submitted as a draft earlier this month.
An open-source reference implementation is now publicly available at github. The draft's abstract describes the codec as: Quote:
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23rd July 2015, 01:57 | #2 | Link |
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The IETF93 NETVC meeting at which Thor was presented:
http://recordings.conf.meetecho.com/...pter=chapter_1 The slides: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/...93-netvc-4.pdf |
23rd July 2015, 10:28 | #3 | Link |
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compiled a windows build today
http://nwgat.ninja/thor-video-codec/
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That IETF document is really sparse on details. It appears to be pretty simple, not really any new features. If I had to guess it is probably in between H.264 and HEVC/VP9 in terms of compression efficiency.
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yep, did you read the daala hackathlon pdf? hehe
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yet some, like daala or diarc are alot different, the lapped transform is a pretty interesting technology
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Thanks for the build, wiak.
I ran a few tests with the encoder. It is horrendously slow in the high efficiency settings, and it has a few issues (cuts off the last few frames if b-frames are enabled), but the quality is pretty good, much better than the current daala encoder, it's actually not that far from x265. Considering the immature state of the encoder (non-adaptive b-frames, no scenecut detection, no psy-rdo), it's quite promising. |
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and the current thor code was posted to githu a week ago its good that there are more codecs at IETF, the Thor MC seem to fix issues with the current Daala MC
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Cisco contributed to H.264/5 and have chosen to freely licence that IPR in Thor and any outcome of the NetVC project. They've also had teams of lawyers deciding what bits of H.264/5 are freely reusable. So their strategy of sticking close to H.264/5 makes a lot of sense. If they can tempt any of the other IP holders to join in, then it'll make even more sense. The blossoming of lots of interesting new codecs will happen after the royalty-bearing patent stranglehold on the industry us broken. Last edited by dapperdan; 23rd July 2015 at 22:03. |
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Maybe you're in with those filthy pirates that say that copyright hinders creativity!! *cough* Based off Tommy Carrot's little writeup this sounds like a very exciting entry to the field, though. Paint me interested. |
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There are many basic features that are not implemented yet, or still need a lot of work. 64x64 blocks, multiple-references, mixed-predicion, bi-prediction, better intra-prediction, better MC, better MPs, and finally, that promised efficient deringing filter. All this work is on the roadmap. And the plan was to finish most of it by the end of this year. But I think that's a little bit too ambitious of a goal. |
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this "MC" is a interesting case of what works works for others tooo
http://i.imgur.com/X6Nzlcf.png http://i.imgur.com/D45fMKi.png this forum reaily needs a img scaler (like gmail has)
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Shaped noise (and explicit coefficients) matters more for the lower frequencies, for synthesizing film grain and texture, which is usually more trouble than it's worth except in extremely low-bandwidth video. FGM suffers from being complicated enough to be all things to all users, so no one wants it, when a simpler noise generator might have succeeded. I was pretty disappointed when HEVC completely punted on even trying to improve it. Alternately, instead of messing with the idct you could just sweep random noise across each decoded frame in the same way; it looks nearly as good, but more 'digital' which turns some people off. Obviously, this doesn't apply to CGI and film stock with low noise and sharp detail. Also obviously, I don't subscribe to the cult of PSNR and perfect reproduction, not when it leaves better subjective quality on the table. |
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I went through the presentation slides and this bit jumped out at me: Thor uses a nonseparable low-pass filter to compute a (0.5,0.5) offset (for luma only). Looking at the source code points to the kernel being [[0,1,1,0], [1,2,2,1], [1,2,2,1], [0,1,1,0]]/16. No negative coefficients at all?
I'm kinda curious about how much this strange choice of a nonseparable interpolation filter for the (0.5,0.5) offset improves on just using the separable 6-tap interpolation filter which is also used for all the other fifteen offsets.
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