Vinyl 78's

MrTVideo · 26th July 2004, 03:50

I have a number of vinyl 78's but my present player only handles 33's and 45's. Is there a way of taping the 78's at a speed of 33rpm and then correcting the sound via a computer program. I have looked everywhere for a suitable player and will keep on doing so but in the mean time I would like to listen to them.

wingnut · 26th July 2004, 10:29

Hi there,

I've never tried this but I don't see why you couldn't record it into the PC (using sound forge or similar) at 45rpm then time stretch it to the correct rate. If you've recorded it at 45rpm and it should be 78rpm then if you reduce the time to 98.266% it should be correct.

Post back and let me know how you get on.

Cheers

Edz

MrTVideo · 27th July 2004, 07:45

Thanks I will try it and report back

SeeMoreDigital · 27th July 2004, 13:50

Sounds like fun...

... I would not mind knowing how things turn out for you myself.

Cheers

U-235 · 27th July 2004, 19:35

I don't think that the normal cartridge/stylus combination intended for playing 33 or 45 rpm records will work very well with old 78 rpm records. The reason for this is that the "new" 33/45 rpm records use a microgroove, and older 78's usually don't. There are cartridges with styli that can play both kinds of records, but I don't know how common they are. More info: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/cartridgehistory.htm

fccHandler · 28th July 2004, 07:24

I was about to post a similar warning. If I remember correctly, 78 records demand a special stylus, because the plastic is harder. If you play them on a normal 33/45 turntable, you'll probably trash its needle, but (even worse) you might damage the 78 disk. Take care.

MrTVideo · 21st October 2004, 07:53

Thanks for your advice it was well received. Just to let everyone know how I went. I purchased an old player at a jumble sale and got a needle to suit(important)then recorded at 33 1/3 in the same software as I used to change the time scale. Settings took a bit of trial and error. but the results after using various filters was very good. You could say I Digitally Mastered It. I now have a cd of my Hammond A Go Go album which is 30 years old if its a day. I am not game yet to try some old HMV single sided ones which go back to the early wind up players. They are about 4mm thick and weigh a ton. So far though success. Only complaint "There aint enough hours in a day".

ursamtl · 21st October 2004, 13:08

Quote:

Originally posted by MrTVideo
Only complaint "There aint enough hours in a day".

I wish Wavelab, Sound Forge or any other program had the ability to time stretch days! Not every day mind you but certain ones.

Glad to hear your experiment went well.

Swede · 21st October 2004, 13:32

I've missed this thread but I did the same thing some two years ago. Here are two mp3-samples, the first one is the old 78 recorded at 45 and the second is the result of CoolEdits stretch and noisefiltering. I was kind of impressed. And my friends granddad loved his new CD that I made.

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MrTVideo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Vinyl 78's I have a number of vinyl 78's but my present player only handles 33's and 45's. Is there a way of taping the 78's at a speed of 33rpm and then correcting the sound via a computer program. I have looked everywhere for a suitable player and will keep on doing so but in the mean time I would like to listen to them. __________________ Terry (Guy from Oz)

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MrTVideo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thanks I will try it and report back __________________ Terry (Guy from Oz)

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fccHandler Registered Jedi Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Georgia, U.S.A. Posts: 733	I was about to post a similar warning. If I remember correctly, 78 records demand a special stylus, because the plastic is harder. If you play them on a normal 33/45 turntable, you'll probably trash its needle, but (even worse) you might damage the 78 disk. Take care. __________________ May the FOURCC be with you...

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MrTVideo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thanks for your advice it was well received. Just to let everyone know how I went. I purchased an old player at a jumble sale and got a needle to suit(important)then recorded at 33 1/3 in the same software as I used to change the time scale. Settings took a bit of trial and error. but the results after using various filters was very good. You could say I Digitally Mastered It. I now have a cd of my Hammond A Go Go album which is 30 years old if its a day. I am not game yet to try some old HMV single sided ones which go back to the early wind up players. They are about 4mm thick and weigh a ton. So far though success. Only complaint "There aint enough hours in a day". __________________ Terry (Guy from Oz)

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wingnut Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dorset, UK Posts: 8	Hi there, I've never tried this but I don't see why you couldn't record it into the PC (using sound forge or similar) at 45rpm then time stretch it to the correct rate. If you've recorded it at 45rpm and it should be 78rpm then if you reduce the time to 98.266% it should be correct. Post back and let me know how you get on. Cheers Edz

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U-235 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 10	I don't think that the normal cartridge/stylus combination intended for playing 33 or 45 rpm records will work very well with old 78 rpm records. The reason for this is that the "new" 33/45 rpm records use a microgroove, and older 78's usually don't. There are cartridges with styli that can play both kinds of records, but I don't know how common they are. More info: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/cartridgehistory.htm

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Swede Deputy Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sthlm, Sweden Posts: 1,453	I've missed this thread but I did the same thing some two years ago. Here are two mp3-samples, the first one is the old 78 recorded at 45 and the second is the result of CoolEdits stretch and noisefiltering. I was kind of impressed. And my friends granddad loved his new CD that I made.