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18th October 2006, 13:41 | #301 | Link |
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foxyshadis got it right...
i must say ULR is no longer a good matrix... at least on LCD displays coz they have an ultra-high contrast that will make ULR "sharpening-effect" look ugly and artificial.
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22nd October 2006, 01:03 | #304 | Link |
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V3LR if you want to keep details or jawors 1cd matrix if you want a smooth output.
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22nd October 2006, 11:01 | #305 | Link |
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Hm, LR doesn't reach quite the compression you get from from ULR, I think. It's almost playing in the same league as HR. Perhaps one shouldn't use XviD at all for compression so strong that ULR or Javor's 1CD-matrix are needed.
XviD's output at the low end cannot compare with x264 but I think the illusion of crispness that ULR provides is a neat trick. Do you really like Javor's 1CD better?
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22nd October 2006, 13:57 | #306 | Link |
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Well, LR is not so bad at high quants. However, yes, the ULR crispness IS a trick but since some time, LCD monitors have impossible contrast ratios (600:1 or more) ... so the "trick" is no longer good...
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19th November 2006, 14:40 | #308 | Link |
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V3LR or Jawor's 1CD should be fine at low bitrates. For higher bitrates there should be no problems.
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20th January 2007, 15:41 | #310 | Link |
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Hi Everybody and Sharktooth,
Sorry to bump in here, I've read the whole thread and didn't find anything that could kill my curiosity. I've been using hvs-best for quite a few years (damn I'm getting old) and I'm willing to test at least one of your cqm but I need some directions. Basically I encode at animations (pixar, dreamworks, etc) which compress quite well at bitrates > 1300kbps and resolutions >= 640, lanczosresize and ocasionaly Undot, unfilter or lumafilter. Which of your cqms should I start with ? EDIT: Hmppfff, read this thread...didn't read the other... I should definetly start with HR and LR. Any known compatibility problems with standalones ? Any help appreciated. All the best, Sharro Last edited by Sharro; 20th January 2007 at 16:25. |
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From my limited experience, I would say you should give v3HR a try - for my needs it smooths a bit too much, but for your content should be just fine (considering the bitrate & resolution you've given). It is still less compresable than HVS-Best Picture, though the difference is rather small, and depends of course on the content you encode.
Why don't you try some sample clips, one pass, constant quantizer (2 or 3)? I've done hundreds of samples like that and it prooved useful for future encodings. Hope I've helped a bit, cheers HDBR77
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20th January 2007, 16:48 | #312 | Link |
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HR may have standalone compatibility issues.
To fix them just replace all "15"s with "16"s in the inter-matrix.
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I never encode a movie without 2 or 3 tries, I'll run a few first passes... Quote:
EDIT: Just tried a 2 pass encode with didee's 6of9 to test in my standalones together with Heini's (with inter-matrix 15's replaced by 16's), results: Philips DVP720SA/02 ===Heini's Intermatrix Min 16 -> perfect play ===Didee's SixOfNive hvs -> artifacts on video (blocks) Philips DVP5960/12 ===Heini's Intermatrix Min 16 -> perfect play ===Didee's SixOfNive hvs -> perfect play Video was 704x288 pixels Xvid 2BF, QP, PB, Chroma Optimizer, Trellis with 1593Kbps set for the second pass So for the time being I'll have to stick with Heini's IM Min 16. I'll also try it on a Yamada 6700 plus and revert. END EDIT Last edited by Sharro; 28th January 2007 at 19:37. |
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@ Sharro Sample clip form "The Curse of the Black Pearl", NTSC 23.976, 672x288, 12951 frames: 1) MSP=5, VHQ=1, VHQ for B-frames, Chroma ME, Turbo, Trellis, Chroma opt., B-frames 2/1.62/0 (goes very quickly, good for testing CQMs ) a) MPEG default QM @ Q2 : 101 MB, 1564 kbps b) HVS Best Picture @ Q2 : 102 MB, 1588 kbps c) Sharktooth's V3 HR @ Q2 : 118 MB, 1829 kbps d) Heini's MR (V3 mod) @ Q2 : 120 MB, 1865 kbps 2) MSP=6, VHQ=3, VHQ for B-frames, Chroma ME, no Turbo, QPEL, Trellis, Chroma opt., B-frames 2/1.62/0 (slooow in comparison to the above ) a) MPEG default QM @ Q2 : 106 MB, 1651 kbps b) HVS Best Picture @ Q2 : 108 MB, 1677 kbps c) Sharktooth's V3 HR @ Q2 : 123 MB, 1915 kbps d) Heini's MR (V3 mod) @ Q2 : 126 MB, 1955 kbps To give Sharktooth his credits, the V3 LR one gave at quantizer 2: 93.5 MB (1448 kbps) and 98.3 MB (1522 kbps) for the above sample-encodes, what places it somewhere in between H.263 and standard MPEG.
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20th January 2007, 22:12 | #315 | Link |
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Well...after 2 different full 2 pass encodes on animations...where checking against the 1st pass size of HeadBanger77 I also got to 14 to 15% difference against HVS-Best, so slightly worst quant average on the second pass... I've thrown away the numbers and looked at the visual quality by doing a stack vertical...
Sharktooth . Much more detail retained and overall better looking, certainly a great option for 2 cd rips of animation with 2 AC3 tracks. Now I have just to test in my standalone. I'll revert. All the best, Sharro |
23rd January 2007, 00:37 | #316 | Link |
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Hi Guys,
No problems with Standalone Philips DVP5960/12 using HR matrix after following Sharktooth inter-matrix advice. Errr...as I don't like encoding, for fun I'm redoing my encodes with Colormatrix, damn...Xvid at full...that's going Slllloooowwww. I've noticed a difference of "brightness" expected amongst different CQM's, specially in red color, do my eyes betray me for staring too much at different scenes ? All the best, Sharro Last edited by Sharro; 23rd January 2007 at 00:43. |
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While you are comparing you may want to try the V3HR modded by Heini a few posts up in this page. I had good results with it and same tip applies for SAP compatibility ( replace all "15" and below "15" with "16" in the inter-matrix): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...722#post854722 Did
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@ Sharro Good to know the trick works for standalones As to the brightness, I haven't marked anything like that, but I encode too rare to spot such a difference. Are you sure you haven't switched rendering mode in your fav player or output color space? Red is always tricky - that's why I don't watch anything in YV12, unless I have to. Some terrible color-bleeding there, brrrr! cheers, HDBR77
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I didn't had time to check this nights encode (HR with Colormatrix(0,2,d2v="***.d2v",threads=2) as it might have helped the color-bleeding. I'll roll a few encodes within today and tomorrow and I'll certainly give a try to Heini's V3HR mod. All the best, Sharro Last edited by Sharro; 23rd January 2007 at 07:43. |
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1) Watch the same by forcing HQ YV12=>RGB32 conversion or just force YUY2 colorspace. 2) I've tried Colormatrix and I'm not happy with its results, with all the respect to the creator. First, it oversaturates red and human faces, imo. Second, it is forcing tv-scale (not full colors' range) by default, what I don't like especially (washed-out colors, dimmed image). Just a few ideas
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