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Old 16th August 2024, 02:20   #581  |  Link
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Admittedly there are several dependencies to be installed, etc, etc, but once that's done, you have FULL use of any workflow.
I appreciate that, but I am one functional bin file away from finishing this.
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all the things to install are for the very technical stuff. If you just want to inject and mux to mp4, workflow 1 doesn't need any of these softwares.

Sure my Windows is in French, but the instructions are in English and pretty easy to follow if you dont install the extra software and just use workflow 1:

Create a folder
put the tools folder in it
put the bat file(mkv mp4 or ts) you want to use in it
click on the bat file
select a workflow
drag and drop input 1, 2 and press enter. You can skip all the user prompts by pressing enter.

or

just drag and drop a file on the bat file, then the metadata and press enter.
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I can handle that workflow I think. I will try.
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My 8K Samsung as everyone knows doesn't do Dolby Vision, but the 8K-hevc.mkv before injection plays perfectly in HDR10 on everything,
but after the RPU.XML is input to workflow 1,the output MP4 file plays in HDR10 in the Windows Media Player, but only haltingly in MPC-HC,
and not at all from the tv's own media player. Isn't DV P8.1 backward HDR10 compatible? The metadata seems okay.

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General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Monstro\Videos\Captures\8K_Sunset_DV.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/dby1/isom)
File size                                : 119 MiB
Duration                                 : 11 s 542 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 86.3 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-08-16 03:35:16 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-08-16 03:35:16 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L6.1@Main
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.12, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
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Default                                  : Yes
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Tagged date                              : 2024-08-16 03:35:16 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
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Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : R: x=0.669920 y=0.314460, G: x=0.271480 y=0.644540, B: x=0.152340 y=0.053720, White point: x=0.281260 y=0.284180
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0300 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 985 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 27 cd/m2
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC+dvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
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Duration                                 : 11 s 542 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
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Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
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Default                                  : Yes
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Encoded date                             : 2024-08-16 03:35:16 UTC
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My 8K Samsung as everyone knows doesn't do Dolby Vision, but the 8K-hevc.mkv before injection plays perfectly in HDR10 on everything,
but after the RPU.XML is input to workflow 1,the output MP4 file plays in HDR10 in the Windows Media Player, but only haltingly in MPC-HC,
and not at all from the tv's own media player. Isn't DV P8.1 backward HDR10 compatible? The metadata seems okay.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand the RPU.bin is only for Dolby Vision.

So why are you injecting it into a file that plays properly on your Samsung ?? when you clearly know that your Samsung does not support DV anyway.

And, if the 8K .mkv plays, why convert it to .mp4, when you probably don't need to ??

And where did this come from:- dvhe.08.12
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand the RPU.bin is only for Dolby Vision.

So why are you injecting it into a file that plays properly on your Samsung ?? when you clearly know that your Samsung does not support DV anyway.

And, if the 8K .mkv plays, why convert it to .mp4, when you probably don't need to ??

And where did this come from:- dvhe.08.12
Your point about RPU.bin specific to Dolby Vision is true but profile 8 is backward compliant to the HDR10 base layer, so anything should play it, without RPU metadata of course.

You're right, I can play 8K HDR10 without DV but I have a pal, we are both shooting Nikon Z8, 8K 60fps, he has an LG 8K model with DV and we want to see if it's possible to make 8K Dolby Vision. I'm also doing 8k HDR10+. My Samsung can play that, his LG cannot, we want to compare these, so enough, we have our reasons, no one is harmed.

I have been making HDR10 videos since 2014, and one of them you've probably seen because it played around the globe in 2015 in every Magnolia HiFi showroom on Sony Z9D demo loops. I have one of the very first HDR videos of any kind on YouTube, within the first week or 10 days of the HDR service being offered. I have graded videos in HDR internationally with credits. So back off, friend! Let's be positive.

As for where dvhe.08.12 came from, that probably means profile 8, level 12, level 12 is for 7680 x 4320 up to 60 fps. It is not a parameter set by the user but is reported by x265. I also saw it reported at 08.0C, which is the hex representation for P08 L12.

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Your point about RPU.bin specific to Dolby Vision is true but profile 8 is backward compliant to the HDR10 base layer, so anything should play it, without RPU metadata of course.

You're right, I can play 8K HDR10 without DV but I have a pal, we are both shooting Nikon Z8, 8K 60fps, he has an LG 8K model with DV and we want to see if it's possible to make 8K Dolby Vision. I'm also doing 8k HDR10+. My Samsung can play that, his LG cannot, we want to compare these, so enough, we have our reasons, no one is harmed.
Interesting, OK, AFAIK, LG TV's will ONLY play DV from .mp4, .m2ts or .ts.

Up until recently (a couple of months) I had a 2018 LG 4K 55" TV, that would only play DV (using this great app), when using the "old" version of the mp4 muxer, but then that TV died, and I now have an LG C4 65", and it seems to work OK with both the "old" & "new" mp4 muxer's

Sux for you, that you have a Samsung.

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I have been making HDR10 videos since 2014, and one of them you've probably seen because it played around the globe in 2015 in every Magnolia HiFi showroom on Sony Z9D demo loops. I have one of the very first HDR videos of any kind on YouTube, within the first week or 10 days of the HDR service being offered. I have graded videos in HDR internationally with credits. So back off, friend! Let's be positive.
A little bit aggressive at the end, not sure where that came from, but kudos to your self promotion, and no I wouldn't have seen that, and where's Magnolia HiFi ???, I'm in Australia !!

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As for where dvhe.08.12 came from, that probably means profile 8, level 12, level 12 is for 7680 x 4320 up to 60 fps. It is not a parameter set by the user but is reported by x265. I also saw it reported at 08.0C, which is the hex representation for P08 L12.
That explains that too, only doing 4K here.
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A little bit aggressive at the end, not sure where that came from, but kudos to your self promotion, and no I wouldn't have seen that, and where's Magnolia HiFi ???, I'm in Australia !!
I'm a fan of your country and a customer of Australia's Blackmagic Design and Grant Petty, and own a few cameras including the Ursa Mini Pro 12K, other stuff too. Magnolia HiFi's were a department of the higher end Best Buy retail stores.

I think I have a working 8k DV file. My pal is going to test it tomorrow. Fingers crossed. I'll report the findings as soon as I know, and thanks to everyone for the help.
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Results are in for the LG Z3, 8K Dolby Vision OLED television, and they are a no-go for 8K-60 fps DV playability. I don't think there is anything wrong with these 8K-60 files, which you can download from my Google Drive account to do as you wish, inspect them for metadata, play them, share them, I don't care. They were shot with the Nikon Z8 in 8K60 NRaw/NLog, graded in DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0B, Dolby Vision DV dvhe.08.12, HEVC based, CMv4.0, XML version 5.1.0 profile 8.1 Level 12 for 7680x4320 at 60 fps.

I tried (3) methods to get them to play.

1.) Workflow 1 in DoVi_Scripts method as described by Kuler087: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IZU...ew?usp=sharing
2.) XML.BIN from Dovi_tool interleaved in x265: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wz2...ew?usp=sharing
3.) Method 2 file RPU injected with DDVT_DEMUXER: https://drive.google.com/file/d/142I...ew?usp=sharing

All 3 methods result in playable HDR10 files on both Samsung 8K and LG Z3, but were not playable in DV on Z3. The same clip encoded in 4K does play in DV on Z3 and my Hisense U8. Again, I don't think anything is wrong with the files, my judgement is the Z3 does not support dvhe.08.12. I am only aware of one other possible DV compliant 8K-60-fps television, The Sony Z9K. Maybe we'll get around to that one.
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I'm having a hard time with this notion of the LG Z3 not being DV compliant at 8K/60. I'm going to make one more shot at DV by dropping the bitrate to 60 Mbps, down from 85 Mbps, before pronouncing the Samsung 8K king since it is able to support 8K/60 HDR10+ streamed and USB flash drive.
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Please, try these: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...GM?usp=sharing
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I thought I'd try a couple of these, but of course, they wouldn't play, as they are 8K after all.

But one thing I did notice, these are dvhe.08.11, not dvhe.08.12...

And also the Codec ID was either, hev1, hvc1 or dvhe depending on the mp4 muxer being used.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait for a reply, after they've tested them.
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dvhe.08.11, not dvhe.08.12...
different framerate

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they wouldn't play, as they are 8K after all.
They are all working(LLDV) correctly on Windows Energy player + DV extension.

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hev1, hvc1 or dvhe
hev1 = latest mp4muxer which strangely doesn't work on my Win11 PC but works fine on my Win10 PC.
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They are all working(LLDV) correctly on Windows Energy player + DV extension.
I should have mentioned that I tried them on my LG C4....they do play with PotPlayer on my little laptop.
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yes of course, but without decoding the DV metadata. The player I'm talking about processes the metadata(P5-P8-P7).
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Kuler087, your 8K hybrid "p8.1.HDR10plus.8K DS_NEW_mp4box.mp4" played perfectly in HDR10+ on my Samsung 8K, in 7680x4320 - 23.98 fps.

The 4000 nit grade of the Yellowstone Park clipped in HDR10 but tone mapped beautifully in HDR10+. I'll try the others soon.
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"p8.1.HDR10plus.8K DS_NEW_mp4box.mp4" does not play on LG 8K Z3, "file not supported".
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You should try all the variants. They all have something ''different'' that could make them work or not.
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You should try all the variants. They all have something ''different'' that could make them work or not.
But you said this, "P5 encoding from scratch requires the proprietary Dolby engine,"

...so not interested in P5 file list unless we can make them without license.

P8.1 works on the Z3, just in 4k not 8k.

The (3) other remaining files have HDR10+ naming inclusions, are they DV compliant?
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Never mind, I see that they have DV. We'll try them.
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