HD-DVD / EVO muxer (H264+AC3) - Page 5

Undead Sega · 13th March 2009, 16:15

naaah, im sure there are other ways of contacting the authors, instead of through doom9.

setarip_old · 13th March 2009, 22:31

@Undead Sega

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naaah, im sure there are other ways of contacting the authors, instead of through doom9.

@Undead Sega

And as I already told you in my post #64 in this thread:

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@Undead Sega

I think it's an abandoned project...

BTW - In my effort to track down similar software, I wrote to the author of "EVO Demux", asking if he/she would be willing to enhance the program to include conversion from BluRay format (or MKV, M2TS, or TS) to HD-DVD compliant "package"/format. The author stated that he/she had neither the time nor the inclination to do so...

Undead Sega · 14th March 2009, 02:58

ahh yes, sorry about that, i have reasd that before, i was mistakening it for anotherpost.

anyways, one reason why it would crash is because its not HD DVD compilant? isnt there somesort of patch, where u can patch the actual .264 file to correct some information within the stream?

ReferenceDivx · 14th March 2009, 23:11

Its great to see all the interest still in the hd-dvd format. Unfortunately, I have moved on to other projects. If you use the right profile in megui to encode the video and have demuxed the correct audio track, you should be able to use my tool to author a hd-dvd.

setarip_old · 15th March 2009, 01:12

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If you use the right profile in megui to encode the video

What specific profile(s) would that/those be?

ReferenceDivx · 15th March 2009, 01:58

i used these two profiles for my encodes in megui

Standalone-HD-DVD
program --pass 2 --bitrate 8000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --b-adapt 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --filter -1:-1 --trellis 2 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14475 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --me umh --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "output" "input" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd

Or Standalone-HD-DVD-Fast
program --pass 2 --bitrate 8000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --bime --weightb --direct auto --filter -1:-1 --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14475 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "output" "input" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd

Undead Sega · 15th March 2009, 14:12

well hold me down ..., can it be that ReferenceDivx has made a post here after so long??

ReferenceDivx, even though u mentioned u ahve moved onto other projects, i just want o sa it would be great if u somewhat did briefly came back to this one as many problems are still occuring.

with the preferences mentioned above, could u potentially copy that as a metadata for when muxing in TSMuxer?

laserfan · 15th March 2009, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Undead Sega

with the preferences mentioned above, could u potentially copy that as a metadata for when muxing in TSMuxer?

Those prefs are for x264 encoding, and have nothing to do with tsmuxer really. OTTOMH at least the keyint, vbv, and nal-hrd are probably needed on x264 encodings, before you get to the muxing step.

Undead Sega · 15th March 2009, 21:32

oh okay then

well, ReferenceDivx, may i ask, why is it i am having this problem?

setarip_old · 16th March 2009, 00:10

@ReferenceDivx

Why would your program require use of MEGUI at all?

Is there a specific reason it doesn't/wouldn't work with existing H.264 video/ .AC3 audio streams from, for argument's sake, a ripped BluRay?

laserfan · 16th March 2009, 15:09

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Originally Posted by setarip_old

Is there a specific reason it doesn't/wouldn't work with existing H.264 video/ .AC3 audio streams from, for argument's sake, a ripped BluRay?

How about "because that's a BluRay, not HD DVD". They are Different. If you want to know "how different" just compare the HD DVD and Blu-ray profiles that are used with MeGUI. But...

Don't get hung-up on MeGUI--you don't need MeGUI at all to make an HD DVD-compliant h264 encoding. You just need the proper x264 options as already indicated in RD's post.

setarip_old · 16th March 2009, 19:59

@laserfan

If I have streams as follows: AC3 audio and Level 4.1 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video, what else in the listed profiles is REQUIRED that would/should make a true difference in the author's program's ability to successfully incorporate these streams into an HD-DVD "package"?

laserfan · 16th March 2009, 20:25

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Originally Posted by setarip_old

@laserfan

If I have streams as follows: AC3 audio and Level 4.1 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video, what else in the listed profiles is REQUIRED that would/should make a true difference in the author's program's ability to successfully incorporate these streams into an HD-DVD "package"?

I just gave my opinion on that 2 posts ago.

setarip_old · 16th March 2009, 21:35

@laserfan

I presume you're referring to:

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the keyint, vbv, and nal-hrd are probably needed on x264 encodings

If so, before re-encoding, is there a way to determine the actual values of these settings for (as in my example) already-existing files?

laserfan · 16th March 2009, 23:37

MediaInfo gives you everything, except maybe nal-hrd; not sure what that one looks like. But you'll probably find different keyframe intervals than 14/2 in your existing files, and vbv as well..

setarip_old · 16th March 2009, 23:45

@laserfan

Thanks for the info!

The funny thing is, I haven't even been able to get the author's "James Bond" sample to play ;>}

laserfan · 17th March 2009, 00:52

I got his test one to work;the Paramount opening logo. But another encoding I had handy did not work. Here's what MediaInfo says about the test.264:

Code:

General
Complete name                    : D:\test.264
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
File size                        : 9.62 MiB

Video
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Bit rate                         : 4 000 Kbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16/9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.080
Writing library                  : x264 core 64 r987M e71168d
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=6 / 
psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / 
deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=2 / b_pyramid=0 / 
b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=14 / keyint_min=2 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / 
bitrate=4000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / 
vbv_maxrate=24000 / vbv_bufsize=14475 / ip_ratio=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00

setarip_old · 17th March 2009, 03:15

What a pleasant surprise! - Using this little program, I successfully converted a clip (approximately 400Mb) of the end credits of the BluRay disc "We Own the Night" to a semi-playable HD-DVD format.

A burned UDF v.2.50 single-layer DVD was accepted by a standalone HD-DVD player as being an HD-DVD and played. On the down side, the scrolling credits were interfered with by a large "HD-DVD" logo (output by the player) dead center onscreen and the audio broke-up accordingly, making listening a painful experience.

Despite my much earlier protestations, I now believe this program has promise, if only the author or (if approved by the author) some knowledgable programmer would pursue it further (The screennames "neuron2", "deank" and "Pelican9" come to mind)...

Undead Sega · 4th April 2009, 19:28

thats cool to hear!

however, im still havng the same problem, which is constantly frustrating me.

i've uploaded a screencap of what happens, can anyone help me on this? believe it or not, HDDVD is somewhat still alive

Undead Sega · 11th April 2009, 14:08

hey everyone, me again, i went the whole extra mile which is that i (re)encoded a whole film using the parameters of SA-HDDVD, and it seems to have successfully muxed together, and outputted the necessary folders

from there, i am not entirely sure what to do next, i do have Nero that still has the HDDVD option to burn stuff, but i am not sure which one to select, and the exact settings inorder to make my HDDVD disc play on the players.

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ReferenceDivx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington State University Posts: 110	been on a sabatical for several months Its great to see all the interest still in the hd-dvd format. Unfortunately, I have moved on to other projects. If you use the right profile in megui to encode the video and have demuxed the correct audio track, you should be able to use my tool to author a hd-dvd.

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Undead Sega Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 713	well hold me down ..., can it be that ReferenceDivx has made a post here after so long?? ReferenceDivx, even though u mentioned u ahve moved onto other projects, i just want o sa it would be great if u somewhat did briefly came back to this one as many problems are still occuring. with the preferences mentioned above, could u potentially copy that as a metadata for when muxing in TSMuxer? Last edited by Trahald; 26th May 2009 at 17:19.

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13th March 2009, 16:15	#81 \| Link
Undead Sega Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 713	naaah, im sure there are other ways of contacting the authors, instead of through doom9.

14th March 2009, 02:58	#83 \| Link
Undead Sega Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 713	ahh yes, sorry about that, i have reasd that before, i was mistakening it for anotherpost. anyways, one reason why it would crash is because its not HD DVD compilant? isnt there somesort of patch, where u can patch the actual .264 file to correct some information within the stream?

15th March 2009, 01:58	#86 \| Link
ReferenceDivx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington State University Posts: 110	i used these two profiles for my encodes in megui Standalone-HD-DVD program --pass 2 --bitrate 8000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --b-adapt 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --filter -1:-1 --trellis 2 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14475 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --me umh --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "output" "input" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd Or Standalone-HD-DVD-Fast program --pass 2 --bitrate 8000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --bime --weightb --direct auto --filter -1:-1 --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14475 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "output" "input" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd

15th March 2009, 21:32	#89 \| Link
Undead Sega Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 713	oh okay then well, ReferenceDivx, may i ask, why is it i am having this problem?

16th March 2009, 00:10	#90 \| Link
setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	@ReferenceDivx Why would your program require use of MEGUI at all? Is there a specific reason it doesn't/wouldn't work with existing H.264 video/ .AC3 audio streams from, for argument's sake, a ripped BluRay?

16th March 2009, 19:59	#92 \| Link
setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	@laserfan If I have streams as follows: AC3 audio and Level 4.1 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video, what else in the listed profiles is REQUIRED that would/should make a true difference in the author's program's ability to successfully incorporate these streams into an HD-DVD "package"?

16th March 2009, 23:37	#95 \| Link
laserfan Aging Video Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off the Map Posts: 2,461	MediaInfo gives you everything, except maybe nal-hrd; not sure what that one looks like. But you'll probably find different keyframe intervals than 14/2 in your existing files, and vbv as well..

16th March 2009, 23:45	#96 \| Link
setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	@laserfan Thanks for the info! The funny thing is, I haven't even been able to get the author's "James Bond" sample to play ;>}

17th March 2009, 03:15	#98 \| Link
setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	What a pleasant surprise! - Using this little program, I successfully converted a clip (approximately 400Mb) of the end credits of the BluRay disc "We Own the Night" to a semi-playable HD-DVD format. A burned UDF v.2.50 single-layer DVD was accepted by a standalone HD-DVD player as being an HD-DVD and played. On the down side, the scrolling credits were interfered with by a large "HD-DVD" logo (output by the player) dead center onscreen and the audio broke-up accordingly, making listening a painful experience. Despite my much earlier protestations, I now believe this program has promise, if only the author or (if approved by the author) some knowledgable programmer would pursue it further (The screennames "neuron2", "deank" and "Pelican9" come to mind)...

11th April 2009, 14:08	#100 \| Link
Undead Sega Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 713	hey everyone, me again, i went the whole extra mile which is that i (re)encoded a whole film using the parameters of SA-HDDVD, and it seems to have successfully muxed together, and outputted the necessary folders from there, i am not entirely sure what to do next, i do have Nero that still has the HDDVD option to burn stuff, but i am not sure which one to select, and the exact settings inorder to make my HDDVD disc play on the players.