Capture in Non-Real time?

[Undead Sega]

I just read it briefly and it is indeed very informative, when i get some free time i will read it thoroughly. However, apprantly some of these TRV cams have built-in TBC, do these TBC's vary in the different cam models? or they are more or less the same throughout?

in the meantime, here are a couple of screencaps for comparision.

Method 1, screencap 1:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/d8hi83.png/

Method 2, screencap 1:

http://img204.imageshack.us/i/hv30hi83.png/

Method 1, screencap 2:

http://img35.imageshack.us/i/d8hi81.png/

Method 2, screencap 2:

http://img228.imageshack.us/i/hv30hi81.png/

[lordsmurf]

Chroma noise
http://img204.imageshack.us/i/hv30hi83.png/
http://img228.imageshack.us/i/hv30hi81.png/

No chroma noise
http://img35.imageshack.us/i/d8hi83.png/
http://img35.imageshack.us/i/d8hi81.png/

What's chroma noise? Read this: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/show...flaws-565.html

1: Built in A/D converter in a Digital8 camera capturing via. Firewire
2: Connect a Hi8 cam to a Canon HV30 and capture via. Firewire

The HV30 isn't doing a great conversion here, and it might be enhancing ambient chroma noise. The Hi8 cam may not be very good, either. I have no such problems on my Sony cam (model not available right now, sorry).

The D8 cam has some degree of TBC functionality to help clean up chroma. But it's similar to a S-VHS VCR, meaning it won't necessarily stabilize the signal. And that is where frame drops come from.

Then again, are these all DV transfers? Are you getting DV drops? It may be some else. Again, run down the dropped frames list from an earlier post of mine. http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/vid...ped-frames.htm

And use WinDV.

Some people would call the HV30 image color "better". I'd call it "cooked". It's not real. It's pumped up way too much, and that's where all the noise comes from.

[Undead Sega]

Indeed you are correct about the Chroma noise, but i get that almost all the time when i even plug the Hi8 cam to my TV via composite, and to my very old TV tuner/capture card years ago, if i am correct, if it this chroma noise that is giving this 'warm look' to the video?

The D8 cam has some degree of TBC functionality to help clean up chroma. But it's similar to a S-VHS VCR, meaning it won't necessarily stabilize the signal.

i assume the Hi8 cam has somesort of a better TBC than the D8, which is why i see that the vertical edges of the footage off jthe D8 cam is a tiny bit wavy, thus giving an inaccurate processed footage when it gets deinterlaced?

And that is where frame drops come from.

Is this for real, that a TBC can prevent such frame drops? wouldnt that mean that when using method 1, all the video signal is received but because of either the crap or lack of TBC is what's causing for not all the frames to be displayed properly? How would this compare as well to what Ghitulescu said about:

Because the camcorder pass-through mode is very sensitive to analog drop-outs (a digital source is quartz-driven, therefore they use the cheapest solution for analog).

Is this both that contributes to this problem?

[Ghitulescu]

You questions have been anwered several times, with hints and advices. You should read yourself the capture guide, most answers are there.

We help people gladly here, but there's a point where this has to stop, namely where the essential was said and the OP should also do himself some homeworks.

[buzzqw]

from my simple test (dv camcorder) the "best" way for acquiring is using windows movie maker
never got a frame drop.

other software give me drops

BHH

[lordsmurf]

I agree, it's getting round-about.

Undead, why are you deinterlacing? Unless you're planning to stream videos (i.e., Youtube), then stop doing that, it's needless and harmful.

And while it may seem logical that one TBC is "better" than the other, it's incorrect. As I explained in previous posts, or in places where I linked, different TBCs do different things. It's not necessarily a better/worse scenario, but rather an issue of processing in different ways.

I'm betting a different camera may be the solution... or to outsource those videos to a service.