madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[QBhd]

One other thing to realize is that madVR is assuming that those test patterns are limited range (pull up the OSD) and that changes things. From what I understand, the best setup is to have everything in your chain setup up to output Full Range (0-255) and madVR will do it's magic properly. madVR full, GPU full, Receiver (if you have one) full, TV full. Then when using those test patterns, if you want to see the WTW and BTB you tell madVR that the input is Full range (Ctrl+Shft+I I think since I don't have madVR running right now). The only time you should be telling madVR to output limited range is when you have a TV or Receiver that can not do full.

QB

[Razoola]

Originally Posted by QBhd

One other thing to realize is that madVR is assuming that those test patterns are limited range (pull up the OSD) and that changes things. From what I understand, the best setup is to have everything in your chain setup up to output Full Range (0-255) and madVR will do it's magic properly. madVR full, GPU full, Receiver (if you have one) full, TV full. Then when using those test patterns, if you want to see the WTW and BTB you tell madVR that the input is Full range (Ctrl+Shft+I I think since I don't have madVR running right now). The only time you should be telling madVR to output limited range is when you have a TV or Receiver that can not do full.

QB

That is not strictly true because using Ctrl+alt+shift+I does not allow WTW in the test.

The only way I can get WTW with everything set to full without disturbing the absolute black level is to set a custom level. It does not make sense because using 0-255 does not work when you expect it should. If I use a custom level setting in madVR the results are weird with the AVSHD white clipping test (picture of the test I'm using posted on the previous page of this thread). It goes as follows.

custom level set at 0-255 = white at 235
custom level set at 0-253 = white at 237
custom level set at 0-250 = white at 239
custom level set at 0-248 = white at 242

and so on.

[MSL_DK]

I hope it's okay to post my query here.

On behalf of Luke, who does an amazing job with Media Browser 3, I seek someone who can help with this issue: fullscreen exclusive mode is not active

Some screenshots of MB3 internal player

[LilScrappy]

Please for help how to play Chroma upscaling - Jinc 3 + AR, when i play began lose lots of frames and interrupted video ?
i'm with intel i5 3550, 8 GB Ram, asrock z77 pro4-m, no video card !

[sebdelsol]

@MSL_DK
I've learned how to do a directshow player based on this code : DirectShowPlayer.cs so I quite know this code
Is this the last version of the internal player ?

I guess there's an issue in MadvrInterface.EnableExclusiveMode(bool enable, MadVR madvr) where eModeControl.DisableExclusiveMode(pBool) is called with the wrong value: pBool should be false when enable is true, so that exclusive mode is not disabled.
If the iVideoWindow is the exact size of the screen (which seems to be the case) it would fix the issue

[detmek]

Originally Posted by LilScrappy

Please for help how to play Chroma upscaling - Jinc 3 + AR, when i play began lose lots of frames and interrupted video ?
i'm with intel i5 3550, 8 GB Ram, asrock z77 pro4-m, no video card !

madVR uses graphic card for its job. So, unless you have powerfull GPU you can not use demanding settings like Jinc3 + AR.

[ThurstonX]

Originally Posted by LilScrappy

Please for help how to play Chroma upscaling - Jinc 3 + AR, when i play began lose lots of frames and interrupted video ?
i'm with intel i5 3550, 8 GB Ram, asrock z77 pro4-m, no video card !

I've not had much luck with Jinc 3 + AR using almost the same setup. I'd switch chroma to Bicubic 75 + AR, and maybe Jinc 3 + AR for image/luma. For some sources that's worked for me.

Good luck.

[Asmodian]

Originally Posted by Razoola

The only way I can get WTW with everything set to full without disturbing the absolute black level is to set a custom level. It does not make sense because using 0-255 does not work when you expect it should.

You do not want to see WTW (unless you are playing full range content). I assume PS3's superwhite is for incorrect displays.

Originally Posted by Razoola

Now for MadVR with PC set to output YCbCr444 or RGB fullrange.

MADVR with PC levels 0-255
- black = 16
- white = 235

Looks correct.

[LilScrappy]

Originally Posted by ThurstonX

I've not had much luck with Jinc 3 + AR using almost the same setup. I'd switch chroma to Bicubic 75 + AR, and maybe Jinc 3 + AR for image/luma. For some sources that's worked for me.
Good luck.

what is minimum video card from ATI i need to play correctly this jinc 3 AR options ?

[Qaq]

Originally Posted by LilScrappy

what is minimum video card from ATI i need to play correctly this jinc 3 AR options ?

According to renethx (AVS) its a 7770. 7750 GDDR5 (I have one) is not enough for some sources.

[leeperry]

Originally Posted by LilScrappy

what is minimum video card from ATI i need to play correctly this jinc 3 AR options ?

7850 IME, it comes with a 256bit bus which helps. 1080p J3AR chroma upscaling + 60Hz FRC loads the GPU to 65%.

The 7790 would be too slow when there's also luma to upscale IMO, for instance the 650Ti barely makes it.

[TheElix]

Something legendary is cooking in this thread right now.

[LilScrappy]

Please for compare shots with chroma upscaling because i have only problem with chroma upscaling when put options to Jinc 3 AR with others no problem and video is played well!
i want to see that there is a big difference when is active, give me a reason to buy video card AMD HD7850 or HD7870 for future!

[ryrynz]

Don't bother with Jinc AR for Chroma. Waste of resources, you won't see any significant difference unless your display is capable of 4:4:4.

[LilScrappy]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

Don't bother with Jinc AR for Chroma. Waste of resources, you won't see any significant difference unless your display is capable of 4:4:4.

what you mean, i watch with HDMI to my plasma 50B650, when play 4:2:2 encode or 4:2:0 maybe with jinc 3 AR chroma will be better in picture dont know ?
or chroma be best when encode is 4:4:4 ?

[James Freeman]

few noob question:

1. How to "use" the 4:4:4 test picture from the first page, (I use a PC monitor) what should I see?
If I use a TV which only supports "lesser" chroma (<4:4:4), what should I see?

2. Is there use for Upscaling at all when watching HD content on an HD monitor?

3. Bluray 4:2:0 Chroma, still need Upsampling to 4:4:4 when watching on a PC monitor?

[ryrynz]

Originally Posted by LilScrappy

what you mean, i watch with HDMI to my plasma 50B650, when play 4:2:2 encode or 4:2:0 maybe with jinc 3 AR chroma will be better in picture dont know ?
or chroma be best when encode is 4:4:4 ?

Just use Bicubic 75 with AR for chroma.

[LilScrappy]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

Just use Bicubic 75 with AR for chroma.

ok i test later, what to use for Image Upscaling and Image downscaling ?

[leeperry]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

1. How to "use" the 4:4:4 test picture from the first page, (I use a PC monitor) what should I see?
If I use a TV which only supports "lesser" chroma (<4:4:4), what should I see?

2. Is there use for Upscaling at all when watching HD content on an HD monitor?

3. Bluray 4:2:0 Chroma, still need Upsampling to 4:4:4 when watching on a PC monitor?

1. You can find real-world test results here.

2/3. 4:2:0 YV12 chroma conversion to 4:4:4 RGB has to be upscaled.

Originally Posted by LilScrappy

give me a reason to buy video card AMD HD7850 or HD7870

I'm no AMD sales rep and indeed J3AR chroma wouldn't make much sense if your TV doesn't accept 4:4:4 input to begin with.

[Rinzler]

When I use EVR, MPC shows that uses DXVA in status bar.

How do I know that MPC-HC with madVR is using DXVA?