HDCD Software Decoder

[cjk32]

Hello all,

I've seen comments from a few people wanting to know how hdcd works, so I decided to take a look at it as an academic exercise.

Attached is a 'reference decoder', which reads a 16-bit wav from from stdin, upconverts it to 24-bit using embedded hdcd information where present, and writes the output to stdout. To use, simply run:

hdcd.exe < 16bit.wav > 24bit.wav

If embedded hdcd information is detected, a notification will be written to stderr. Non hdcd's will also work, although the only result will be to halve their volume.

Let me know how you get on,

Chris

[cjk32]

Until the attachment's approved, it can be downloaded from,

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cjk32/hdcd/hdcd.zip

[cjk32]

and if anyone wants binaries for different platforms, please let me know.

[nazg00l]

Originally Posted by cjk32

and if anyone wants binaries for different platforms, please let me know.

Ummm... Would it be a big problem for you to compile the program for Linux? Or at least for plain DOS?
(There are several free DOS clones/emulators for Linux; theoretically the current version could perhaps run under Wine emulator, but there are problems with stream redirections, which require the Windows shell, which is not free...)

[Onward]

A mac (intel/universal) binary would be nice

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by Onward

A mac (intel/universal) binary would be nice

Could you contact me privately, see my previous post.

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by nazg00l

Ummm... Would it be a big problem for you to compile the program for Linux? Or at least for plain DOS?
(There are several free DOS clones/emulators for Linux; theoretically the current version could perhaps run under Wine emulator, but there are problems with stream redirections, which require the Windows shell, which is not free...)

Hi,

If you can give me some pointers to a suitable toolkit, I'll have a go at compiling for DOS.

For other platforms, could you contact me privately. Microsoft want to charge royalties for use of hdcd technology on non MS platforms, so I'd like to keep any such binaries limited to individuals for now.

Regards,

Chris

[henryho_hk]

Excellent work! I want to use it in my audio conversion batch. It's too bad that non-HDCD materials will have the volume halved. It is possible to avoid the effect or to implement a test mode (e.g. make a quick scan of a few portions and return an errorlevel of 1 for non-HDCD)?

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by henryho_hk

Excellent work! I want to use it in my audio conversion batch. It's too bad that non-HDCD materials will have the volume halved. It is possible to avoid the effect or to implement a test mode (e.g. make a quick scan of a few portions and return an errorlevel of 1 for non-HDCD)?

Apolgies, I've been away for a the past fews days. The volume is halved, both for technical reasons and to maintain bit compatibility with wmp. There is now a test mode, if you download the latest version from the website, and run 'hdcd.exe -h', it'll show you your options.

In general, it's worth looking at the website to check for newer versions. I'll keep the older versions online too, and hdcd.zip will point to the latest 'stable' version.

[abcx]

Looks great. Thanks

[jolson]

And... - any noticable sound improvement?

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by jolson

And... - any noticable sound improvement?

Well, for most HDCDs, the decoded cd will sound better than the original due to the removal of the peak compression the was applied during encoding.

Whether the 24bit decoded version will sound audibly different from a 16bit downsampled version of the same is entirely different question. Anyone care to do some ABXing?

Regards,

Chris

[henryho_hk]

Originally Posted by cjk32

Anyone care to do some ABXing?

It's really difficult ABX'ing uncompressed sound with computer audio devices.

BTW, I have problems working with flac.exe and hdcd.exe in a pipe chain. When I do something like "flac -d in_hdcd16.flac - | hdcd | flac -c - out_24.flac" (not the exact commandline, but you can get the idea), flac.exe will prompt an error saying no audio data found. Does anyone have the same problem?

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by henryho_hk

It's really difficult ABX'ing uncompressed sound with computer audio devices.

How so? Is it just getting a sufficently good signal out of the computer so as to make the differences even measurable?

Originally Posted by henryho_hk

BTW, I have problems working with flac.exe and hdcd.exe in a pipe chain. When I do something like "flac -d in_hdcd16.flac - | hdcd | flac -c - out_24.flac" (not the exact commandline, but you can get the idea), flac.exe will prompt an error saying no audio data found. Does anyone have the same problem?

Which version are you using? Versions before r172 had problems when being piped to (windows doesn't like it if you fseek on a pipe). This was fixed in r172, although I'd strongly recommend using r185 instead, as r172 had some serious problems when peak extend was used along with gain adjustment. I think I'll probably remove r172, and when I've had a few reports of success, make r185 the next version.

Regards,

Chris

[bxxxb]

Hi, probably stupid question, but is it possible to make a HDCD software encoder?

Tnx....

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by bxxxb

Hi, probably stupid question, but is it possible to make a HDCD software encoder?

Tnx....

It's certainly feasible to create an encoder that supports the same features that the decoder currently does. The only non trivial point would be to produce a good dithering system, ideally as close to the one used in the original encoders, although I expect a little bit of reading would make this fairly simple.

Less simple is to be able to use dynamic filter switching. This requires knowledge of the filter's characteristics (hopefully gleanable from test tracks played through an upsampling decoder), as well as an algorithm to choose which filter to use.

On the other hand, whether there is any actual use for an encoder is another question. I'd really like to perform / see the results of an ABX between the following:

A) 24 bit original encoder that's been hdcd encoded and decoded
B) 24 bit original truncated / dithered to 16 bit (and then padded back to 24 bit if it makes the technical details any easier)

The other benefit I should probably mention is that tracks encoder using peak extension and gain adjustment will play back rather compressed on non hdcd players. In some cases, this may well be what you want, e.g. car audio, portable music players.

I suspect I'll probably end up writing an encoder just to play with. It might well make ABXing things a lot easier!

Regards,

Chris

[LogicDeLuxe]

Originally Posted by cjk32

It's certainly feasible to create an encoder that supports the same features that the decoder currently does. The only non trivial point would be to produce a good dithering system, ideally as close to the one used in the original encoders, although I expect a little bit of reading would make this fairly simple.

Couldn't you just make it read a separate dither wav file, so the encoder don't have to generate it for itself?

[madshi]

Just to let you guys know: Chris has been so kind to let me use his HDCD decoder in my eac3to software:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966

[henryho_hk]

Yup, I think mainstream computer audio has difficulty reproducing good signals for us to ABX'ing these "lossless" signals. The first problem would be probably be the dynamic range. I am now actually trying it (16bit dither by foobar, on-board ALC888, desktop speaker). I know headphones would be better but the audio output is too high and too noisy. I wonder if Live24 would do a better job.

R185 is doing great at piping. Something like "flac -d -c hdcd_orig_16bit.flac | hdcd | flac -5 -f - -o decoded_24bit.flac" is now working perfectly. Thanks.

A foobar plugin would be great too.

[cjk32]

Originally Posted by henryho_hk

R185 is doing great at piping. Something like "flac -d -c hdcd_orig_16bit.flac | hdcd | flac -5 -f - -o decoded_24bit.flac" is now working perfectly. Thanks.

Glad to see that it's working.

Originally Posted by henryho_hk

A foobar plugin would be great too.

Ive no experience with foorbar at all, and am highly unlikely ever to write such a plug in. However, I am finalising an API to the code, and will release the necessary headers along with a static and dynamic library should anyone wish to implement this themselves.

Regards,

Chris