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View Poll Results: 2009 - what's your favorite container ?
AVI 13 7.22%
Matroska 138 76.67%
MP4/MOV 16 8.89%
TS/M2TS 11 6.11%
ASF/WMV 1 0.56%
NUT 1 0.56%
OGG 0 0%
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Old 2nd January 2009, 18:10   #1  |  Link
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2009 - what's your favorite container ?

The last poll about your favorite container shows that Matroska is still the 1st one for the D9 community with a large majority (more than 65%).

So, what do you plan for this new year ? Keep the same one or switch to a new one ?


Knowing that DivX 7 will support mkv files, results might be impressive...
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Old 2nd January 2009, 18:34   #2  |  Link
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Matroska is still my container of choice due to its versatility.
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Old 2nd January 2009, 18:52   #3  |  Link
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m2ts for it compatibility with HW players. May be mp4, but 64-bit adressing is not supported by any HW player.
Matroska must die. It is not an option to support this container. Not any HW developer support it. MKV has the same fate as OGM

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Old 2nd January 2009, 19:03   #4  |  Link
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m2ts for it compatibility with HW players. May be mp4, but 64-bit adressing is not supported by any HW player.
Matroska must die. It is not an option to support this container. Not any HW developer support it. MKV has the same fate as OGM

Sorry for my English
this may very well change when DivX 7 hits the public since they said they'll use matroska as the container

I voted for MKV as well
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I use mp4 and matroska, depending on what I want to store and where I want to play it.

@Oleg:
Plenty of harware developers (TviX, Popcornhour, ect.) support the container and there is probably more to come with DivX7 and Matroska 2.0 around the corner.
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Plenty of harware developers (TviX, Popcornhour, ect.) support the container and there is probably more to come with DivX7 and Matroska 2.0 around the corner.
Yes, but I want ot see solutions from mainstream developers - Sony, Philips... Samsung at least...
Next, what does DivX 7 bring to us? Next version of the codec and the possibility to pack the encoded video to MKV? Who from HW developers will support these features? And by the way, who from developers have supported DivX HD? Just few NONAMEs... For today we got excellent "industrial" (sorry, I don't know how to say this in English ) codec - AVC, which is supported by Blu-Ray standard. And we got some good containers, which are forced by mainstream developers - m2ts and mp4. So, DivX 7 and MKV support can be the same fail as DivX HD

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DivX 7 is an AVC encoder and decoder
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I have remuxed all my media to MKV, so i think that says it all.
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DivX 7 is an AVC encoder and decoder
Proof link, please for their 100% compatibility
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Proof link, please for their 100% compatibility
Search the board. 100% compatibility with what?
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Search the board. 100% compatibility with what?
with decoding process.
In example - we got commercial h264 and freeware x264. So, my HW player can decode a h264 encoded video and a x264 encoded video.
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So, You want to say, that my HW player can decode a DivX 7 encoded video as well, aren't you?
We are talking about codec now, not container.
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with decoding process.
In example - we got commercial h264 and freeware x264. So, my HW player can decode a h264 encoded video and a x264 encoded video.
You said

So, You want to say, that my HW player can decode a DivX 7 encoded video as well, aren't you?
We are talking about codec now, not container.
DivX 7 will implement the H.264 standard, so any H.264 decoder will be able to decode it and any H.264 capable player will be able to play it!

Of course a player will need to support the MKV container too, as DivX 7 will use the MKV container. If your player doesn't support MKV you will need to remux the file produced by DivX 7 before you can play it. And last but not least you must not forget about level/profile restrictions: If your player doesn't support at least the H.264 profile/level used by DivX 7, then playback won't be possible...
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what LoRd_MuldeR said ^^
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I'm guessing a short discussion about a comparison between MP4 vs MKV isn't OT.

I'll go first with a general comparison from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...tainer_formats

So I've got a few questions:

1) MP4 now supports AC3 (although Wikipedia hasn't been updated yet) but what's preventing it from supporting other formats as well?

2) In light of Wikipedia's inaccuracy wrt this comparison, could someone post the differences between MP4 and MKV in bullet point form or provide a link to a recent comparison please?

3) For those who vote MKV, what application do you use to edit MKVs frame-accurately (completely lossless, of course)? (And I'm not referring to workarounds discussed in this thread).
MP4s can be edited "pseudo" frame-accurately using MP4Box with Cut Assistant.

And before LoRd_MuldeR jumps in and starts the Avidemux marketing campaign, unless I can see a fully working, bug free version of Avidemux that handles MP4s and MKVs the way VirtualDub handles AVIs then Avidemux isn't ready for prime time yet.

4) Although DivX 7 officially supports MKV, does that mean it offers no support for MP4?

5) Windows 7 will have native support for H.264/AAC but is it limited to MP4 or includes MKV as well?

MKV as a future-proof container with it's "universal format for storing common multimedia content" intention makes it better than MP4 especially since it uses EBML, which is a simplified binary extension of XML.
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Had to vote for .ts this year. Blame the PS3.
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I think the poll should be multi-choose
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In example - we got commercial h264 and freeware x264. So, my HW player can decode a h264 encoded video and a x264 encoded video
My head hurts trying to understand these two sentences.
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In example - we got commercial h264 and freeware x264. So, my HW player can decode a h264 encoded video and a x264 encoded video.
My head hurts trying to understand these two sentences.
He's confused about the relationship between x264 and H.264 (hence his use of h264).
He's separating non-x264 encoded vids from x264 encoded ones even though they are both H.264.
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Once again, I vote for Matroska. But I'm more of a different containers for different uses type, and depending on the situation I'll use the one that has the best fit. For my purposes, though, that'll probably be MKV.
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1) MP4 now supports AC3 (although Wikipedia hasn't been updated yet) but what's preventing it from supporting other formats as well?
ISO standards...

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4) Although DivX 7 officially supports MKV, does that mean it offers no support for MP4?
I don't think so...

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5) Windows 7 will have native support for H.264/AAC but is it limited to MP4 or includes MKV as well?
no restrictions about containers level afaik...

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MKV as a future-proof container with it's "universal format for storing common multimedia content" intention makes it better than MP4 especially since it uses EBML, which is a simplified binary extension of XML.
mp4/mov can be described also as an xml tree with nodes...

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I think the poll should be multi-choose
I can't edit the poll unfortunately...
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