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17th January 2018, 21:42 | #1381 | Link | ||
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As it happens I too have been struggling with the Avatar subtitles. It's one of the 3D movies why I asked r0lZ in my earlier post for a feature in the XY coordinates-processing in one of his tools.
The standard SUPs are displayed way to high, IMO. Man, have I been busy. OCR-ing the SUPstreams, edit/correcting text, timings, exporting to ASS, adding fonts, creating ASS styles, exporting to SUP. From SUP to XML/PNG. Then cloning positions, remuxing again... pfffff. Lot of work!! And for two languages, that is. I can almost word-for-word say each line perfectly hubblec4 said: Quote:
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On the other hand, it is possible to output & OCR SUP lines that only are in the lower half of the picture. So I can imagine SUP lines that are only in the upper half can be output also. If one wants, those 2 SUP files can be processed separately. After you have your separate, wanted SUP- or XML/PNG files (one for the lower and one for the upper half) you would have to merge them, of course. I don't know if that is possible, but I would be very happy if merging SUP- and/or XML/PNG files would be possible. As you have maybe read my Avatar subtitle experience, you can imagine that such a tool would be very much appreciated. Last edited by von Suppé; 18th January 2018 at 12:14. Reason: addendum |
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18th January 2018, 13:11 | #1382 | Link | |
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IMO, restricting the displacement of the subtitles in a specific direction should be used only when the original subtitles are always on the same horizontal line and are only moved to the left or right to avoid to enter in some foreground objects. In that case, grabbing the position of new subtitles from that stream without restricting the Y may give the impression that the subtitles are not correctly aligned along the Y axis. A good wysiwyg subtitle editor is Aegisub, but it works with SSA/ASS subtitles only, and it has no support for the 3D depth.
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20th January 2018, 17:51 | #1383 | Link | |
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20th January 2018, 19:50 | #1384 | Link |
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Damn! Thanks for the hint!
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Hi r0lZ, do you have any plans to add an option in future BD3D2MK3D version to avoid re-encoding and build the frame-packed MKV just with the frames available in the original ISO (AVC+MVC)? I don't know if it's possible for frame-packed but makemkv seems to have found a way to do it for their mkv. I tried an mkv out of makemkv and m2ts out of tsmuxer of the same BD3D on my LG E6's internal player and it was able play those in 2D so the file generated is backward compatible and I could play both of them in 3D using mpc-hc so 3D works as well in the players that support them. Thanks!
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22nd January 2018, 11:06 | #1386 | Link |
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I have to analyse the possibilities of MakeMkv. But if it's only the latest version that can do that, I will not be able to use it, for the reason highlighted by Frank here. (I may change later the format of the MUX_OPTIONS files to be compatible with Mkvtoolnix v20+, but it's not currently in my todo list.)
Also, since you want to just remux the ORIGINAL AVC + MVC streams as a (big) MK3D, you can already use MakeMKV for that job. It does that very well, and it is still free if you use the key offered regularly here. Just add the MVC stream in the list of streams to mux (as it is disabled by default) and let it do its job. So, if I implement AVC+MVC support in BD3D2MK3D, it should be with the possibility to re-encode the AVC and MVC streams. But that's a big job, so don't expect that soon! And note that only a few Windows players support that format. I'm not really interested in implementing it while no standalone player or TV can play it.
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23rd January 2018, 01:40 | #1387 | Link |
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Understood. I too would prefer a more universal format but not able to find something that looks good and my LG TV can play. HSBS was ok for my 55" LCD but on 65" I can see the jaggies. Yet to try SBS but the frame sequential file created with BD3D2MK3D didn't work on my E6, nor with mpc-hc/mpc-be.
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23rd January 2018, 09:04 | #1388 | Link |
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I have the movie "Geostorm.2017.3D" with the v1.5 converted. Unfortunately, the 3D FORCED subtitles (00098.track_4624.Deu.3D.idx) are black. The 2D FORCED subtitle (00098.track_4624.Deu.2D.idx) is white. What do I have to change so that they appear white, like other subtitles? Thanks and best regards tenker |
23rd January 2018, 11:30 | #1389 | Link |
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Strange! Yet another bug of BDSup2Sub. :-(
Try to load the ORIGINAL stream (without .2D or .3D extension) in BDSup2Sub++ or in BDSup2Sub.jar. (They are in the toolset folder.) Be sure to enable the Change Frame Rate option and set the FPS Source and FPS Target to 23.976. (It's necessary to avoid little timing problems.) Verify if the forced subtitles have the right color. If it's not the case, retry with the other version of BDSup2Sub. When it's correct, save them as a new temporary BD SUP file. Then, have a look at the end of the 3D-Planes.log file to identify the 3D-Plane to use for your stream, and use BD3D2MK3D -> Subtitle Tools -> Convert Subtitles to 3D (with 3D-Plane/OFS) to convert the 2D stream you have just created. I note also that the images above are taken from an OCR program that accepts only DVD SUB/IDX. Converting to that format is not recommended, because it is less good than the original SUP, and it has to reduce the number of colours to 3 (plus the transparent background). That may be the cause of the problem. So, do the conversion in SUP format only, and if you really need the IDX/SUP stream, convert the final 3D SUP to DVD SUB. That should work. If a specific version of BDSup2Sub produced the black subtitles, and if it works correctly with the BD SUP format, please let me know. I will try to convert the same stream myself, and see if I can find a solution to detect the problem automatically and, if it's possible, implement a workaround. Anyway, thanks for the bug report!
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Have you tested Full-SBS with your TV ? If it has frame buffers large enough, that's probably the best solution. (It's the case of all UHD (4K) 3D TVs, but unfortunately, many standard HD TVs do not support the Full formats.)
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23rd January 2018, 13:28 | #1392 | Link |
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Thanks.
Are you sure you have used the latest version of BD3D2MK3D ? I have just reorganized the way the subtitles are processed, and now BDSup2Sub++ is used for the conversion of the original SUP to XML/PNG. As far as I know, only BDSup2Sub.jar has that wrong colour bug, and therefore the conversion of the subtitles to 3D should not exhibit that problem. Can you confirm that you have used a version older than the latest v1.5 to create the project ? If it's the case, I can assume that the new version works well. Otherwise, I will have to check again the new method, and that takes much time... BTW, I did Geostorm with v1.5, without any problem with the colours of the (French) subtitles. I don't think the German subtitles are different. But perhaps you have another edition of the 3DBD.
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Yes, the v1.5.
I have sent you more information via PM. Now I have made a Tet with all FORCED subtitles. All forced subtitles are affected in my case ... Normal subtitles are after conversion O.K. Last edited by Tenker; 23rd January 2018 at 15:16. |
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Yet another thing to confirm. Are you sure Java is properly installed on your PC ? You can verify it with Help -> Java Version. You should see the java version number. The BDSup2Sub.jar is still used to convert the 3D XML/PNG stream back to the BD SUP format (or DVD SUB if you have requested that format). The problem can also come from that operation. BTW, if you have not deleted the project folder yet, can you verify also the PNG files in the temp folder with the 2D XML/PNG stream ?
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For some reason it doesn't take the entire width of the screen so after switching the TV to 3D-TAB mode manually, it shows good 3D but only for the center area with vertical black bars on both sides. So left it at that yesterday. Today tried playing on the TV (LG E6) directly using the Emby app and the TV recognized it and switched to 3D mode automatically but with the vertical bars on the side, just like mpc-hc. So, the TV can handle 3D-TAB it seems but the players, both on PC and TV, are trying to maintain the weird 16:18 aspect ratio instead of 16:9 per eye. Am I missing any key configuration for TAB conversion? I checked the BD option, wonder if that could cause this. Here is a screenshot. http://i63.tinypic.com/250mn0n.jpg |
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2. All * .png pictures in the folder 00098.track_4623.Fra.3D_2D 00098.track_4624.Deu.3D_2D 00098.track_4625.Ita.3D_2D 00098.track_4626.Spa.3D_2D are white 3. Today I converted the BD 3D to a sample on another PC (Win1064Bit with all updates + BD3D2MK3D v1.5). Unfortunately the same result = all Forced SUB are black. Standart SUB 00098.track_4610.Deu.3D.sub is white. Where is the mistake? Last edited by Tenker; 24th January 2018 at 08:18. |
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And yes, there are two different aspect ratios. You have to find the good configuration for your players. (I suggest to encode a small clip for your tests.) Good luck, and please report here what settings give the correct results for your TV and players.
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I did Geostorm again yesterday, but unfortunately, BD3D2MK3D has crashed before the subtitle conversions due to a bug I have just introduced in the beta I am currently developing. I have just fixed the bug and will convert Geostorm a third time, with the German forced subs of course. Stay tuned...
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--aspect-ratio 0:16/18 Can I change it to something else (like 0:16/9) and run __MUX_3D.cmd to avoid re-encoding? I am assuming Settings > Full-SBS/TAB Aspect Ratio would do something similar? |
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