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Old 15th September 2009, 12:36   #9741  |  Link
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DXVA and DVD menus never worked ever since Windows Vista. Other directshow players are also affected. Blame microsoft.
Not quite true. Using corresponding DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoder filters you are able to use DXVA under Windows Vista & Windows 7, without any DVD menu issues.

And like tetsuo55 says, it might be even possible to use mixed DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoders. But it would require some extra support from the directshow player itself (it is easier from the developers point of view just to ask users to have matching filters in use).

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Old 15th September 2009, 16:58   #9742  |  Link
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Not quite true. Using corresponding DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoder filters you are able to use DXVA under Windows Vista & Windows 7, without any DVD menu issues.

And like tetsuo55 says, it might be even possible to use mixed DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoders. But it would require some extra support from the directshow player itself (it is easier from the developers point of view just to ask users to have matching filters in use).
With extra support from the player it is possible, there are ways. With just a simple automatic filter graph it will just not work as it is in any player. One such way was coded in ZoomPlayer, by connecting the Subpicture Out pin of the decoder to a second input pin of the Video Renderer.
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Old 15th September 2009, 19:32   #9743  |  Link
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I still need to know which filters you use.
and cca is probably right, i don't use dxva for my dvd's and menu's work reasonably well
I also dont want to use DXVA and I m not sure if DXVA is beeing used despite the notification at the left corner of MPC-HC.

Here is a screenshot with the filters beeing used with the subtitles problem (not showing) and dvd navigation problem:

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Old 15th September 2009, 19:37   #9744  |  Link
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You are using the crappy ms mpeg2 decoder which uses DXVA

Try using the internal mpeg2 decoder instead.
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Is it really necessary to post 2MB PNG images?!
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Old 15th September 2009, 20:23   #9746  |  Link
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Is it really necessary to post 2MB PNG images?!
THX-UltraII > you should use the formum(1) link next time
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Old 16th September 2009, 06:23   #9747  |  Link
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THX-UltraII > you should use the formum(1) link next time
sorry, how does this work?
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Old 16th September 2009, 07:31   #9748  |  Link
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He means: just put a link to your image. Don't display it in this thread.
And IMO you should use Jpg instead of png. Png is not adapted for video...
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Old 16th September 2009, 07:59   #9749  |  Link
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You are using the crappy ms mpeg2 decoder which uses DXVA

Try using the internal mpeg2 decoder instead.

this works fine now! thanks!

Another question: I have installed W7 the X64 version. I just downloaded the X64 MPC-HC version and X64 ffdshow. Is it correct that Haali and CoreAVC are not supported and that I cannot use them as external filters? (and in this case have to 'downgrade' to MPC-HC and FFdshow x86?)
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Old 16th September 2009, 08:51   #9750  |  Link
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... X64 MPC-HC version and X64 ffdshow. Is it correct that Haali and CoreAVC are not supported and that I cannot use them as external filters?
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and you know something about coreavc?

edit: and of course ReClock

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sorry, how does this work?
when you upload the image to imageshack, when it finishes you get 6 links to copy, one of them is named Forum(1)
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He means: just put a link to your image. Don't display it in this thread.
And IMO you should use Jpg instead of png. Png is not adapted for video...
MPC-HC saves lossless png's as screenshots
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and you know something about coreavc?

edit: and of course ReClock
Both do not have publicly available 64bit versions yet afaik
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Yep, worlds not ready for x64 yet
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Old 16th September 2009, 10:34   #9754  |  Link
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He means: just put a link to your image. Don't display it in this thread.
And IMO you should use Jpg instead of png. Png is not adapted for video...
PNG is perfectly suited for video in many cases.
When comparing encoding settings or looking for decoding/encoding artefacts, you want to keep the picture as close to the original, which PNG does perfectly. It does produce much bigger files, but that's a moot point.
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Old 16th September 2009, 11:47   #9755  |  Link
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Png is useful when comparing 2 images quality. When it concerns a graph and some text information, you can convert png in jpg. But now I know MPC-HC does png by default, I can understand users won't convert them in jpg (by laziness).
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I made a comparison for .mkv files between the CoreAVC 1.9.5 decoder and the MPC-HC internal H264 / AVC (FFmpeg) decoder. To my surprise their was no noticable difference in quality or speed (slightly advantage for the coreavc but only 2-4% of my CPU).

So I ve decided to skip the Coreavc decoder (also because I want to go back-to-basic with MPC-HC as much as possible) and use the MPC-HC internal decoder (no DXVA!). I see that the decoder has 5 options and I would like to know which does what and what config gives the best PERFORMANCE with no artifacts. (my pc is fast enough)

1. decoding thread number (1,2,3,4,5,6,7 or 8)
2. H264 skip deblocking mode: non, default, non reference, bidirectional, non keyframes or all frames
3. error resilience: careful, compliant, aggressive or very aggressive
4. IDCT algorithm: auto, Lib Mpeg2 MMX, Simple MMX, XVID or Simple
5. read AR from stream: check or uncheck

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Old 16th September 2009, 19:15   #9757  |  Link
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IMHO decoding speed should be in average frames per second, measured through decoding stream as fast as possible minimum 3 times in a row. CPU load is inaccurate and tells nothing in many cases.

And about quality - every decoder should give the same quality, otherwise its just broken.
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Old 17th September 2009, 09:58   #9758  |  Link
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Hi,

I have a problem with MPCHC and Hibernate/Standby Mode.
Ehm.... it just doesn't work. The screen goes black but after some seconds it is on again und MPC plays again. Seems that MPCHC blocks the hibernate/standby mode?
I have the newest version from the webpage.
OS is Windows 7 RC, GFX: GeForce 8300.

Does anybody have an idea to get it working? It's a CarPC, so, if I turn off my car the pc normally goes in standby mode. When a movie/musicvideo is running, it doesn't...
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Old 17th September 2009, 10:14   #9759  |  Link
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Hi.
MPC-HC devs, if you have time, can you look on this?

Looks like there is a bug in standalone MPC video decoder (DXVA mode, SW is OK) causing crash when trying to remove filter from graph.
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Old 17th September 2009, 10:22   #9760  |  Link
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Hope someone can reply on my post from yesterday too about the H264/AVC MPC-HC filter option.

And another question:
I ve noticed that some of my content is played much louder than other. So I played with MPC-HC a little bit untill I came across the build-in audio switcher which I turned OFF after the installation. I turned this ON and checked the box normalize. Now most files seems to be played on a more equally volume. However, what really happens when the volume gets normalized and more inportant, will this affect the audio quality in some way?
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