PgcEdit 0.5 - Page 11

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 00:44

Quote:

Originally posted by selyb
that delay works beautifully

Thanks for the feedback!

BTW, I have verified the way I have implemented the Open DVD Folder function: I was unable to call the start function. For an unknown reason, it doesn't work from Tcl/Tk. So, I've made a direct call to explorer.exe. Sorry. As I said, use the Tools menu...

blutach · 17th April 2005, 00:47

Right now, the Utility -- New dummy PGC doesn't work if there's only a FP PGC. So, I can't add VMGM 1 etc.

Is this intentional?

BTW: The remove commands and links works great!!!

Regards

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 00:50

No, it's not intentional. I've already noticed this problem, but since you will add some VTS anyway, I haven't fixed it.

[EDIT] Wrong! The new Dummy PGC can't work on the FP-PGC, but you may add a VMGM PGC 1 with the New Menu function.

blutach · 17th April 2005, 00:55

I already have some VTSs - e.g your Test SPRM7 disk!

EDIT - OK on your edit.

Regards

selyb · 17th April 2005, 01:45

Quote:

Originally posted by r0lZ
I was unable to call the start function. For an unknown reason, it doesn't work from Tcl/Tk. So, I've made a direct call to explorer.exe

that may be because 'start' is a command line option for cmd.exe
i have never seen 'start' used otherwise

lark · 17th April 2005, 04:22

Quote:

Originally posted by selyb
that may be because 'start' is a command line option for cmd.exe
i have never seen 'start' used otherwise

sorry, but i have to comment this:
i've seen 'start' used to shutdown windows

btw, r0lZ, thx a 1000000 for the new release w/ option to remove the VM commands of the unreferenced cells.

regards
t

blutach · 17th April 2005, 05:41

@lark - very good! Maybe it's the Start of the finish!

Regards

CoNS · 17th April 2005, 05:59

...Or the end of the beginning...?!!

blutach · 17th April 2005, 07:49

Just thinking here:

If we find a menu that is unreffed and can take its VM commands out, why can't we make it a dummy at the same time (if it has video in it), letting the user know he has to do a menu strip. Once the menu buttons (if any) are out of the way, this could lead to more unreffed material being stripped clean.

I have actually been able to trim a 7 VTS disk down to 1 doing this (ultimately needing, of course to play with things like VMGM_MAT, VMG_PTT_SRPT and VMG_VTS_ATRT), but that is not hard.

There was a guy the other day who actually wanted to do this on his backups to keep things "neat" IIRC.

Regards

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 09:19

Good idea, blu.
I'll add it soon...

blutach · 17th April 2005, 09:21

First good idea I've had for months! Or so my finacee tells me.

Morning r0lZ and thanks.

Regards

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 10:34

WARNING! I've found a bug in 0.5.2 (final release only) and 0.5.3 beta 1.

If you create a new button or BOV in a cell originally without buttons, the new button(s) will be saved only in the first nav pack of the cell, while it should be saved also in all subsequent nav packs. Your button will be shown only for a verry short time, and then disappear.

This bug is fixed now. I will release a nev version soon...

Thanks to Pil who submitted this bug via private email.

lark · 17th April 2005, 11:16

would it be hard to detect PGCs that are only referenced by themselves (and delete commands from those as well)?

regards
t

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 11:25

It's already the case, no?
Normally, the commands jumping inside the same PGC are ignored (unless there is a bug somewhere).

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 12:17

PgcEdit 0.5.3 beta 2 is here. (Third release in two days! Sorry.)

It fixes the important bug with the new buttons on cells originally without buttons.
This bug was introduced because I wanted to keep the original highlight status whenever possible, so that animated highlights are not lost after a save cell with edited menu buttons.
But I kept the original status of 0 when a new button was created on a cell w/o buttons. In this case, the HL status is now 1 in the first nav pack of the cell, and 2 in all subsequent packs, as it should be.

I have also added the option to convert unreferenced menu PGCs to dummies when using the Info -> Calls Cross References function. Note that the GUI will be visible only if there are unreferenced menu PGCs with video, and if you accept the 'delete commands' option.
Take care: cells with menu buttons will be converted to dummies as well.

lark · 17th April 2005, 14:39

Quote:

Originally posted by r0lZ
It's already the case, no?
Normally, the commands jumping inside the same PGC are ignored (unless there is a bug somewhere).

i'm not 100% sure but i think i just had a dvd that had many PGCs (not marked as unreferenced) having only linktailpgc pointing to them. when i deleted that command, pgcedit deleted the rest ;-)
but obviously it was pinta to delete those commands from 50+ PGCs...

regards
t

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 15:33

I've just tried with a PGC with a LinkTailPGC in post commands, and another one as cell command 1. It is correctly marked as unreferenced.
Don't forget that a PGC may be referenced if there are Next/Prev/GoUpPGC links pointing to it in another PGC, or if it's a PGC callable with the remote (ie root, title, subpic menu entry...)

If you still encounter a bug, please send me the Call Cross Refeerences output.

blutach · 17th April 2005, 15:36

Thanks for the fix r0lZ and the enhancement to the unreferenced material "wipe". One final thought about wiping unreffed material.

If a GPRM is used only once I think it can be safely deleted. Oftentimes, you see authoring remnants that say someting like If gprm(7) <> 0 then jump to a PGC which is otherwise unreferenced and usually has no commands in it. This command, of course, can never be executed as it is the only time gprm(7) is used.

So, can PgcEdit find GPRMs that are only used once and delete the commands, too?

Regards

r0lZ · 17th April 2005, 15:40

That's a totally different method. I need to inspect every command in the DVD (including in menu buttons) before calling the actual Call Cross Refs function. It's a big work. Please remind me later...
For now, I want to implement the preview for Linux.

blutach · 17th April 2005, 15:40

Final Q then off to bed:

If I have done an incremental backup, how does one restore from the old backup (the original one now marked with the date and time)? This is a manual job, yes?

Regards

17th April 2005, 00:47	#202 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	How to add a PGC (basically make a VMGM) if only FP PGC is present? Right now, the Utility -- New dummy PGC doesn't work if there's only a FP PGC. So, I can't add VMGM 1 etc. Is this intentional? BTW: The remove commands and links works great!!! Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

17th April 2005, 00:50	#203 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	No, it's not intentional. I've already noticed this problem, but since you will add some VTS anyway, I haven't fixed it. [EDIT] Wrong! The new Dummy PGC can't work on the FP-PGC, but you may add a VMGM PGC 1 with the New Menu function. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV Last edited by r0lZ; 17th April 2005 at 00:55.

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	I already have some VTSs - e.g your Test SPRM7 disk! EDIT - OK on your edit. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	@lark - very good! Maybe it's the Start of the finish! Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

17th April 2005, 07:49	#209 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	Just thinking here: If we find a menu that is unreffed and can take its VM commands out, why can't we make it a dummy at the same time (if it has video in it), letting the user know he has to do a menu strip. Once the menu buttons (if any) are out of the way, this could lead to more unreffed material being stripped clean. I have actually been able to trim a 7 VTS disk down to 1 doing this (ultimately needing, of course to play with things like VMGM_MAT, VMG_PTT_SRPT and VMG_VTS_ATRT), but that is not hard. There was a guy the other day who actually wanted to do this on his backups to keep things "neat" IIRC. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

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CoNS reMember Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Under your bed Posts: 728	...Or the end of the beginning...?!!

17th April 2005, 09:19	#210 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	Good idea, blu. I'll add it soon... __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	First good idea I've had for months! Or so my finacee tells me. Morning r0lZ and thanks. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

17th April 2005, 10:34	#212 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	Bug in 0.5.2 final and 0.5.3 beta 1 ! WARNING! I've found a bug in 0.5.2 (final release only) and 0.5.3 beta 1. If you create a new button or BOV in a cell originally without buttons, the new button(s) will be saved only in the first nav pack of the cell, while it should be saved also in all subsequent nav packs. Your button will be shown only for a verry short time, and then disappear. This bug is fixed now. I will release a nev version soon... Thanks to Pil who submitted this bug via private email. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV Last edited by r0lZ; 17th April 2005 at 10:36.

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lark Regular User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Yes and No Posts: 411	would it be hard to detect PGCs that are only referenced by themselves (and delete commands from those as well)? regards t

17th April 2005, 11:25	#214 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	It's already the case, no? Normally, the commands jumping inside the same PGC are ignored (unless there is a bug somewhere). __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

17th April 2005, 12:17	#215 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	PgcEdit 0.5.3 beta 2 PgcEdit 0.5.3 beta 2 is here. (Third release in two days! Sorry.) It fixes the important bug with the new buttons on cells originally without buttons. This bug was introduced because I wanted to keep the original highlight status whenever possible, so that animated highlights are not lost after a save cell with edited menu buttons. But I kept the original status of 0 when a new button was created on a cell w/o buttons. In this case, the HL status is now 1 in the first nav pack of the cell, and 2 in all subsequent packs, as it should be. I have also added the option to convert unreferenced menu PGCs to dummies when using the Info -> Calls Cross References function. Note that the GUI will be visible only if there are unreferenced menu PGCs with video, and if you accept the 'delete commands' option. Take care: cells with menu buttons will be converted to dummies as well. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

17th April 2005, 15:33	#217 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	I've just tried with a PGC with a LinkTailPGC in post commands, and another one as cell command 1. It is correctly marked as unreferenced. Don't forget that a PGC may be referenced if there are Next/Prev/GoUpPGC links pointing to it in another PGC, or if it's a PGC callable with the remote (ie root, title, subpic menu entry...) If you still encounter a bug, please send me the Call Cross Refeerences output. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV Last edited by r0lZ; 17th April 2005 at 15:37.

17th April 2005, 15:36	#218 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	Thanks for the fix r0lZ and the enhancement to the unreferenced material "wipe". One final thought about wiping unreffed material. If a GPRM is used only once I think it can be safely deleted. Oftentimes, you see authoring remnants that say someting like If gprm(7) <> 0 then jump to a PGC which is otherwise unreferenced and usually has no commands in it. This command, of course, can never be executed as it is the only time gprm(7) is used. So, can PgcEdit find GPRMs that are only used once and delete the commands, too? Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

17th April 2005, 15:40	#219 \| Link
r0lZ PgcEdit daemon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7,469	That's a totally different method. I need to inspect every command in the DVD (including in menu buttons) before calling the actual Call Cross Refs function. It's a big work. Please remind me later... For now, I want to implement the preview for Linux. __________________ r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV

17th April 2005, 15:40	#220 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	Final Q then off to bed: If I have done an incremental backup, how does one restore from the old backup (the original one now marked with the date and time)? This is a manual job, yes? Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.