BD+ Unbreakable for 10 Years says Richard Doherty of Envisioneering Group

RXP · 10th July 2007, 08:06

In the latest issue of HMM Richard Doherty a Media analyist with Envisioneering Group says " BD +, Unlike AACS, Which suffered a partial Hack Last Year, Won't likely be breached for 10 years." Doherty said "and if so The damage would effect one film and one player."

He also said BD + Offers 4 time the safeguards on top of aacs against piracy. All Blu-Ray Players are equipped with BD +.

example of BD+:
Doherty cited Sony theoretically releasing Spiderman 3 on Blu-Ray and allowing consumers to download the film to an Ipod or streaming copy on a home network. Should a breach occur in digital or physical form, Dohert said BD+ would let Sony circumvent the damage more quickly compared to AACS because the hacked movie could only be played on a particular Sony Player.

Original article is available at: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=871371

Amazing, talk about baiting hackers

kumi · 10th July 2007, 08:30

Yeah... have you googled this company? Previous "interviews" and "reports" on Sony by the folks at Envisioneering Group show exactly what side their bread is buttered on... they're obviously a PR firm owned or hired by Sony to make independent-sounding, upbeat pronouncements about the glorious Sony product line.

woah! · 10th July 2007, 08:51

the way the format war is going, 10 years is how long it might take to win if ever. i took the red pill anyway...

awhitehead · 10th July 2007, 21:03

It would help if there were any BD+ discs out in the first place.
Then we could validate or disprove this claim.

As it is, it's just words.

nullstuff · 10th July 2007, 21:44

...yes, and my grandma got wheels.

«if u can play it, u can copy it.» - ancient chinese proverb.

-- nullstuff

cwl7454 · 10th July 2007, 23:07

Hmm, Let me see, been a member for 5 years and has only made 3 posts; tell me that this could not be a fox watching the hen house?

3r1c · 11th July 2007, 03:55

What they said is completely wrong.

Once bd+ is cracked, the same cracking method can be used by everyone to decrypt their discs, the only thing we cant do is share the key because its different for each disc.

Anyway it only takes one person to decrypt the disc and upload it to bittorrent

dvy · 11th July 2007, 06:48

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HyperHacker · 11th July 2007, 07:13

That's not ideal, though, for two reasons:
1) AFAIK, downloading/copying someone else's backup is illegal. Only making your own is legal.
2) Finding 50GB BD ISOs on P2P? More like poorly-encoded low-resolution MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them.

If the key is going to be different for each disc then I forsee it being a cat-and-mouse game. Hackers find a way to read the key from the player just as they do with AACS. They write a program that automates the process so the average user can get their key and make a copy. The player manufacturers patch it. Lather, rinse, repeat.

zeroprobe · 12th July 2007, 10:41

2) Finding 50GB BD ISOs on P2P? More like poorly-encoded low-resolution MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them.

Speak for yourself.

nullstuff · 12th July 2007, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperHacker

MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them

...logos/watermarking is strictly prohibited by the scene standards.

-- nullstuff

bourke · 14th July 2007, 01:44

I hope BD+ doesn't rely on a secure JVM ;-)

Ajax_Undone · 18th July 2007, 22:00

Oh my god that's so funny I forgot to laugh. Is this guy serious frigging clown...

My aching arse ten years... What a bold load of crap!

One maybe two years at tops... And that includes time to reverse engineer and make a successfully running app that has had at leased two reversions and a few running on different platforms...

noclip · 18th July 2007, 23:11

I give it a month after the first BD+ disc is released.

Tack · 18th July 2007, 23:26

Based on what I've read about BD+, I'd give it much longer than a month.

sarah99 · 28th July 2007, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by noclip

I give it a month after the first BD+ disc is released.

10 days tops.

mikecito · 28th July 2007, 23:51

No matter what protection they put on it, at SOME POINT it has to be in a format that your eyes can see. At that point, it is NOT encrypted. Therefore, the bits and bytes can be copied.

BD+ will accomplish its purpose by making it inconvenient to copy movies, thus stopping the average Joe.

And yes, all it takes is ONE seed, and the whole world can download.

Tack · 29th July 2007, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecito

No matter what protection they put on it, at SOME POINT it has to be in a format that your eyes can see. At that point, it is NOT encrypted. Therefore, the bits and bytes can be copied.

I doubt anybody here will argue that DRM isn't fundamentally broken, but the question isn't can BD+ be broken, but when will it be.

10 years is rather naive, IMHO, but so is a month. BD+ is intrinsically different from what we've seen, and it will take time to grok it, which includes developing the tactics and tools to prod it.

My intuitive guess is between 1-2 years, but not inside the year following the first BD+ enabled disk. And I'd be delighted to be wrong.

bourke · 29th July 2007, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tack

10 years is rather naive, IMHO, but so is a month. BD+ is intrinsically different from what we've seen, and it will take time to grok it, which includes developing the tactics and tools to prod it.

My intuitive guess is between 1-2 years, but not inside the year following the first BD+ enabled disk. And I'd be delighted to be wrong.

If AACS took less than two months duration (not effort) then there is no way that BD+ can outlast six months of solid effort! And people on this forum and others will give it solid effort!

I don't understand why you think BD+ will take longer just because it is 'different'?! ACCS was different when people started on it and it took two months.

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RXP Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55	BD+ Unbreakable for 10 Years says Richard Doherty of Envisioneering Group In the latest issue of HMM Richard Doherty a Media analyist with Envisioneering Group says " BD +, Unlike AACS, Which suffered a partial Hack Last Year, Won't likely be breached for 10 years." Doherty said "and if so The damage would effect one film and one player." He also said BD + Offers 4 time the safeguards on top of aacs against piracy. All Blu-Ray Players are equipped with BD +. example of BD+: Doherty cited Sony theoretically releasing Spiderman 3 on Blu-Ray and allowing consumers to download the film to an Ipod or streaming copy on a home network. Should a breach occur in digital or physical form, Dohert said BD+ would let Sony circumvent the damage more quickly compared to AACS because the hacked movie could only be played on a particular Sony Player. Original article is available at: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=871371 Amazing, talk about baiting hackers

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HyperHacker Resident DRM Hater Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: International waters Posts: 242	That's not ideal, though, for two reasons: 1) AFAIK, downloading/copying someone else's backup is illegal. Only making your own is legal. 2) Finding 50GB BD ISOs on P2P? More like poorly-encoded low-resolution MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them. If the key is going to be different for each disc then I forsee it being a cat-and-mouse game. Hackers find a way to read the key from the player just as they do with AACS. They write a program that automates the process so the average user can get their key and make a copy. The player manufacturers patch it. Lather, rinse, repeat. __________________ Because Moogles pwn.

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kumi Straight to video Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 637	Yeah... have you googled this company? Previous "interviews" and "reports" on Sony by the folks at Envisioneering Group show exactly what side their bread is buttered on... they're obviously a PR firm owned or hired by Sony to make independent-sounding, upbeat pronouncements about the glorious Sony product line.

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woah! Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 435	the way the format war is going, 10 years is how long it might take to win if ever. i took the red pill anyway...

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awhitehead Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel Posts: 185	It would help if there were any BD+ discs out in the first place. Then we could validate or disprove this claim. As it is, it's just words.

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3r1c Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 383	What they said is completely wrong. Once bd+ is cracked, the same cracking method can be used by everyone to decrypt their discs, the only thing we cant do is share the key because its different for each disc. Anyway it only takes one person to decrypt the disc and upload it to bittorrent

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zeroprobe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 155	2) Finding 50GB BD ISOs on P2P? More like poorly-encoded low-resolution MKVs/OGMs with logos slapped all over them. Speak for yourself.

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bourke Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 85	I hope BD+ doesn't rely on a secure JVM ;-)

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Ajax_Undone I dont care so should you Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In hell next to the boiling pit of Lava... Posts: 989	Oh my god that's so funny I forgot to laugh. Is this guy serious frigging clown... My aching arse ten years... What a bold load of crap! One maybe two years at tops... And that includes time to reverse engineer and make a successfully running app that has had at leased two reversions and a few running on different platforms...

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noclip Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 154	I give it a month after the first BD+ disc is released.

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Tack Freevo Developer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waterloo, Ontario Posts: 118	Based on what I've read about BD+, I'd give it much longer than a month. Last edited by Tack; 28th July 2007 at 23:59.

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mikecito Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denise Richard's Apartment Posts: 135	Doesn't matter No matter what protection they put on it, at SOME POINT it has to be in a format that your eyes can see. At that point, it is NOT encrypted. Therefore, the bits and bytes can be copied. BD+ will accomplish its purpose by making it inconvenient to copy movies, thus stopping the average Joe. And yes, all it takes is ONE seed, and the whole world can download. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~ Mikecito www.highschoolforever.com

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