Fix terrible deinterlacing(?) artifacts - Bluray

AOA · 10th January 2023, 21:40

So how do I get rid of these?

Since the video metadata is "Top Field First, InterleavedFields, NTSC,...", Im not sure if these are actually deinterlacing artifacts.
Did they upscale without deinterlacing?

I tried qtgmc inputtype=2 but thats obviously not helping alot.
When I think about it, these don't even look that horizontal at all.

https://mega.nz/file/oUMjXSCY#3fcURo...E_T1AJbspoPYwQ

Please help

lansing · 11th January 2023, 02:41

The video is 29.97 fps progressive, it is an unusual frame rate for anime, what is your source?

kedautinh12 · 11th January 2023, 03:50

Almost anime source is 23.976

AOA · 11th January 2023, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by lansing

The video is 29.97 fps progressive, it is an unusual frame rate for anime, what is your source?

It's apparently the US bluray of naruto.

Do you think it has been tampered with?

lansing · 11th January 2023, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOA

It's apparently the US bluray of naruto.

Do you think it has been tampered with?

I don't know, but I do have a US release of an older anime on blu-ray that was also 29.97 fps. Apparently they only did the field matching on the video and then called it a day.

For this one I don't think it is fixable, there is no pattern of the problem. Somebody screwed up on the upscaling process.

poisondeathray · 11th January 2023, 18:08

Probably they were originally dot crawl artifacts that have gone through several generations and upscaled

AOA · 11th January 2023, 18:18

What a shame. On other frames the upscale doesn't even seem to be that bad.
How are they selling this?!

Thing is, looking at the dvd, I can't even make out these thing would even get generated. Really weird.

EDIT:
The review on blu-ray.com makes it clear that this is indeed the raw video from the disc. Shit

Selur · 11th January 2023, 21:44

just for the fun of it:
SCUNet: https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM1
BasicVSR++(model=3): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM2
RealESRGAN(realsr-anime): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM3
AnimeSR(v2): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM4

Cu
Selur

AOA · 11th January 2023, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selur

just for the fun of it:
SCUNet: https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM1
BasicVSR++(model=3): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM2
RealESRGAN(realsr-anime): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM3
AnimeSR(v2): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM4

Cu
Selur

Ui. Interessing that these models were able to tell something's wrong.
Thank you for the comparison.
I can't wait for these to improve even more. BasicVSR completely deforms the trees and the small mountain on the bottom-left

.
I'll stick with the DVD's since they also don't have the weird color tint issues.

mastrboy · 12th January 2023, 00:05

BasicVSR++ is very impressive when it gets it "right", but awful when it makes a "wrong" decision, usually turn whatever object it misunderstands into either just a smudge or something completely different, which is very unfortunate since it's very good at cleaning up rainbowing and dotcrawl on anime.
I really wish there was a simple way to iterate it's training further.

Selur · 12th January 2023, 04:24

Using a mask in combination with BasicVSR++ (or DPIR denoise) often helps.

Selur · 12th January 2023, 20:48

btw. quite a lot of these spots can be removed with SpotLess or KillerSpots: https://imgsli.com/MTQ2OTQx

kedautinh12 · 13th January 2023, 00:35

Need use mask to avoid "kyuubi" lost a tooth

Selur · 13th January 2023, 04:30

I don't think that's a tooth, but some spot

kedautinh12 · 13th January 2023, 05:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selur

I don't think that's a tooth, but some spot

oh, it's not tooth cause it's lost white color

l33tmeatwad · 17th January 2023, 16:58

Just to chime in about the source, Naruto is a mixed frame rate show (has 24fps and 30fps content), so that is why the blu-ray is 30fps interlaced. Make sure you account for this when converting by doing variable frame rate.

AOA · 19th January 2023, 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad

Just to chime in about the source, Naruto is a mixed frame rate show (has 24fps and 30fps content), so that is why the blu-ray is 30fps interlaced. Make sure you account for this when converting by doing variable frame rate.

Oh thanks I didn't know that.
But I've decided to just use the DVD instead.
Do you by any chance know if this is the same case for the DVD?
How do I handle that? Is there a way to dynamically let it choose the framerate.
Season 1 alone has a lot of epsiodes.

l33tmeatwad · 19th January 2023, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOA

Oh thanks I didn't know that.
But I've decided to just use the DVD instead.
Do you by any chance know if this is the same case for the DVD?
How do I handle that? Is there a way to dynamically let it choose the framerate.
Season 1 alone has a lot of epsiodes.

It would be the case for the DVD as well as it is how the show was animated then put together. I don't have any good up to date information on creating VFR files, I was just familiar with the source so I figured I would point that out, sorry.

~ VEGETA ~ · 22nd January 2023, 21:03

maybe do basicvsr++ combined with some line masks then use your preferred denoising filters on the rest of the image. you can always manipulate your masks to get best result.

after many years of encoding experience i can tell you that such sources are not worth the effort most of the times. DVDs are not guaranteed to be better (could be though) especially that the BD is also interlaced. Could be that they just upscaled the DVDs and put them on the BDs, who knows?

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AOA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 18	Fix terrible deinterlacing(?) artifacts - Bluray So how do I get rid of these? Since the video metadata is "Top Field First, InterleavedFields, NTSC,...", Im not sure if these are actually deinterlacing artifacts. Did they upscale without deinterlacing? I tried qtgmc inputtype=2 but thats obviously not helping alot. When I think about it, these don't even look that horizontal at all. https://mega.nz/file/oUMjXSCY#3fcURo...E_T1AJbspoPYwQ Please help Last edited by AOA; 10th January 2023 at 22:00.

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AOA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 18	What a shame. On other frames the upscale doesn't even seem to be that bad. How are they selling this?! Thing is, looking at the dvd, I can't even make out these thing would even get generated. Really weird. EDIT: The review on blu-ray.com makes it clear that this is indeed the raw video from the disc. Shit Last edited by AOA; 11th January 2023 at 21:08.

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Selur Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 7,277	just for the fun of it: SCUNet: https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM1 BasicVSR++(model=3): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM2 RealESRGAN(realsr-anime): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM3 AnimeSR(v2): https://imgsli.com/MTQ2NzM4 Cu Selur __________________ Hybrid here in the forum, homepage

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mastrboy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 365	BasicVSR++ is very impressive when it gets it "right", but awful when it makes a "wrong" decision, usually turn whatever object it misunderstands into either just a smudge or something completely different, which is very unfortunate since it's very good at cleaning up rainbowing and dotcrawl on anime. I really wish there was a simple way to iterate it's training further. __________________ (i have a tendency to drunk post)

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Selur Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 7,277	Using a mask in combination with BasicVSR++ (or DPIR denoise) often helps. __________________ Hybrid here in the forum, homepage Last edited by Selur; 12th January 2023 at 04:39.

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lansing Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,657	The video is 29.97 fps progressive, it is an unusual frame rate for anime, what is your source?

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kedautinh12 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2,156	Almost anime source is 23.976

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poisondeathray Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,377	Probably they were originally dot crawl artifacts that have gone through several generations and upscaled

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Selur Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 7,277	btw. quite a lot of these spots can be removed with SpotLess or KillerSpots: https://imgsli.com/MTQ2OTQx __________________ Hybrid here in the forum, homepage

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kedautinh12 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 2,156	Need use mask to avoid "kyuubi" lost a tooth

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~ VEGETA ~ The cult of personality Join Date: May 2013 Location: Planet Vegeta Posts: 155	maybe do basicvsr++ combined with some line masks then use your preferred denoising filters on the rest of the image. you can always manipulate your masks to get best result. after many years of encoding experience i can tell you that such sources are not worth the effort most of the times. DVDs are not guaranteed to be better (could be though) especially that the BD is also interlaced. Could be that they just upscaled the DVDs and put them on the BDs, who knows?