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9th September 2010, 20:02 | #61 | Link | ||||||||
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@Bi11: I like your court analogy... it probably makes more sense.
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Overall, I yet have to see a forum that is run as a democracy- I'm not saying there are none, but I'd like to see a sizeable working forum where all associated costs are split in between the members (like taxes), and where moderators and admins are elected by popular vote. And even in a real world democracy - do you really get a say into most of the issues? Did you get to vote on whether your country ratify the WIPO treaties (source of DMCA style legislation)? Did you get a say on changes to copyright law over the last 20 years (including extensions of protection periods and the DMCA in all its flavors), did anybody get to vote no whether software patents are a good idea? Will we get to vote on the ACTA? Even the Swiss didn't get to vote in their DMCA flavor - and they have a direct democracy. In a parliamentary democracy, you only get to not vote for a politician in the next election.. and you got no say in what laws that politicians passes in the meantime. Quote:
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If I'm a friend with our imaginary guy, I might ask him to start the appeals process and about the outcome. But if I disagree with the outcome, there is not much I can do. Since the admin is the final instance, if he has made his ruling, it's final. Public protest will not help - but it will only get me in trouble (rule 17). Quote:
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As I said before, and that's a core charater value where I'm from, I'm not going out stab my moderators in the back for the slightest mishap. I refuse to make a public statement calling moderator action wrong every time I rescind a strike. It is still my forum, and I will not betray my core beliefs. You can disagree with that all you want - but it is my prerogative, and I think it is highly inappropriate that you go to a foreign land and demand that people throw away pat of their culture and instead start doing it your way. I consider it common courtesy that you respect the way things are done if you are at somebody else's place, regardless of whether you'd do it the same or not.
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9th September 2010, 20:06 | #62 | Link |
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Doom9, how would the appeals process work well when it might be two weeks or longer before you return? I know you have a life and take vacations, etc. I'm not criticizing you for taking breaks, just saying it complicates matters.
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9th September 2010, 20:20 | #64 | Link |
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i have... "promote" some users to moderators (ask the mods for possible canditates or make a thread).
after that make an internal votation and promote a couple of mods to supermods.
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9th September 2010, 20:48 | #65 | Link |
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Thanks for the reply, but I already knew rules existed. Sorry, I was not being very specific. I meant rules that would have prevented this from happening. I was curious if they already existed in written form and if they did then DS's contention that N2 broke a moderator rule was true. I don't know if DS was refering to a previously existing rule or a rule recently created due to this situation.
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It's a bit convoluted, I know.
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indeed. if neuron2 tried to contact 3 different mods and had no answer then he has much less responsibility in what happened.
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10th September 2010, 04:28 | #71 | Link |
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i only have 1 thing to say really, this forum without neuron2 as a mod the last little while, would be a spam infested slag feast.... i dont know the guy at all, but the good stuff he does here, sure as hell outweighs some ego's around here...
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10th September 2010, 06:52 | #75 | Link |
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I'm glad you noticed. Consider it a little pushback for the relentless tag-team attacks on me here from you guys, not to mention the vile attacks on me and Doom9 over at your place.
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10th September 2010, 07:09 | #76 | Link |
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I have an account there (under the same name) but I can't say I'm more active there than here so I won't claim to be an established member of their central crew. I did make a statement there that you might disagree with on some level but I didn't insult you. I think people said things there in retaliation for not being able to discuss the subject here until recently - that is until this thread that seems to be excluded from rule 17.
I saw most of the post "puzzle pieces" though while they were still in their assembled state and I share some sympathies with some people. Recent actions have eased my concerns a bit though and I'm looking forward to an expanded mod team. |
10th September 2010, 08:05 | #78 | Link |
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Doom9,
Thanks for the willingness to discuss these matters with members. I know there are administrators on other boards who completely ignore members, yet some of those boards still somehow manage to thrive. I wrote a long response but in the end I realized I was just pulling straws. You can find my ramblings here: http://paste2.org/p/982560 Hopefully your new rules and changes will foster healthy respectful relationships between moderators and members of this community-driven forum. Last edited by Bi11; 12th September 2010 at 16:39. |
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