Mvbob > mcbob?

ficofico · 15th June 2007, 14:20

with my last test, I've found that mvbob with my dv record it's very better than mcbob. I know that mcbob should be better, and I want to know why with my config mcbob doesn't work as well.

My config is:

avisynth dll= 2.5.7.0
mvtool= 1.7.0.0
masktool=2.0a30
mcbob function is= mcbob

This is an image with the mvbob and mcbob (mvbob is the upper image)

The script I've used is:

Code:

avisource("F:\yadif.avi")
converttoYv12()
AssumeBFF()
mvbob() # or mcbob
lanczosresize(720,400)

why mcbob does't work well ? I want to try to use it, but result aren't well

Thanks for the answer.

Didée · 15th June 2007, 14:44

Could be it's just too much noise. Looking at the background of the MVBob picture, there is no sign of MVBob's "dithering-denoise" side-effect, but lots of vertical spatial interpolation. Could well be that in most areas you're infact not getting any motion compensated bobbing, but just plain EEDI-bobbing ...

Funnily, both look very similar in respect to the deinterlacing result. It's just that MCBob is much sharper (too much in this case), and so is the noise.
Try MCBob(sharpness=0.0) and compare again. Probably the results will become rather equal, then.

Fact is that MCBob won't deal too well with such noise as can be seen here. That would require the not-yet-existing internal denoising routine.

Edit:

BTW, there is >>avisource("F:\yadif.avi")<< ...
is it really the raw source you're feeding, or has there been some pre-processing with yadif() ?

wonkey_monkey · 15th June 2007, 15:34

Assuming the source is interlaced, and hasn't gone through Yadif, shouldn't the second line be:

Code:

converttoYv12(interlaced=true)

?

David

ficofico · 15th June 2007, 15:58

Quote:

is it really the raw source you're feeding, or has there been some pre-processing with yadif() ?

No no, source is rgb 24 unprocessed, it's call yadif in this example because in first time I've "test" yadif, after I've call the source "yadif" , because it's was simple than change the avs file ( ah ahhah, very bad english but it's true, vlc doesn't open the file because it's a dv rec with rero vision, sure 100 %).

Now I'll try MCBob(sharpness=0.0), and post the result

Quote:

Assuming the source is interlaced, and hasn't gone through Yadif, shouldn't the second line be:

Code:

converttoYv12(interlaced=true)

?

It's true? I've miss this paramether all the time.

ficofico · 15th June 2007, 16:05

This is with converttoYv12(interlaced=true), mcbob(sharpness=0.0)

Upper mvbob (the same image of first post)

ficofico · 15th June 2007, 16:14

The same rec, but outside. Click____ image

Didée · 15th June 2007, 16:25

Interesting. Looks like something is not working like it's supposed to be.

Could you make a few frames of that recording available?

ficofico · 15th June 2007, 16:37

10 frame of uncompressed video file ?

Didée · 15th June 2007, 16:40

That would be fully sufficient, yes. The indoor scene seems particularily useful for testing.

ficofico · 15th June 2007, 16:45

20 frame of video

ficofico · 16th June 2007, 12:09

Great Didée, are you making Dvbob?

. I'm curious, news?

Didée · 16th June 2007, 13:04

I got the sample, thank you. I'll look into it this WE, right now I'm too busy with other things. Analyzing both MVBob and MCBob is not done in five minutes, I need some free air to dive into it.

ficofico · 16th June 2007, 14:40

Ok, thank you

ficofico · 1st August 2007, 17:51

news?

Revgen · 2nd August 2007, 06:41

I always use MVBob on noisy footage. It somehow naturally denoises it. It's not something Scharfi did on purpose, but I like it. It's also a heck of alot faster.

MCBob really works well on sports footage with lines at weird angles. Really smooths them out especially if the footage is clean.

ficofico · 19th August 2007, 15:15

I'm vey boring, i know, but i want to know if with my dv rec I have to use mvbob instead of mcbob...... With my pal mpeg rec from satellite, mcbob work excellent, and I use only him in avisynth deinterlacing.
I've some beautifull rec that I have compress with x264, but ....... The possibility to make better.... Emm, I want more!!!

I've upgraded with the 1.8.3 mvtool, but mcbob seem to deinterlace not well.
Didee, write me that you had created an mcbob specifically for dv source!!!

ficofico · 19th August 2007, 15:34

I'm vey boring, i know, but i want to know if with my dv rec I have to use mvbob instead of mcbob...... With my pal mpeg rec from satellite, mcbob work excellent, and I use only him in avisynth deinterlacing.
I've some beautifull rec that I have compress with x264, but ....... The possibility to make better.... Emm, I want more!!!

I've upgraded with the 1.8.3 mvtool, but mcbob seem to deinterlace not well.
Didee, write me that you had created an mcbob specifically for dv source!!!

Didée · 19th August 2007, 15:38

>> I've upgraded with the 1.8.3 mvtool, but mcbob seem to deinterlace not well.

Can't tell how it works together with MVTools v1.8.3. Perhaps it would need some adjustments to play together with the new features ... or not. can't tell yet, didn't try it.

>> write me that you had created an mcbob specifically for dv source!!!

Nope. My motivation currently is evanescent.

ficofico · 19th August 2007, 19:56

Quote:

My motivation currently is evanescent.

It's hot.... i know, but since september I think that the genial brain come to work.... I hope so..

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	Mvbob > mcbob? with my last test, I've found that mvbob with my dv record it's very better than mcbob. I know that mcbob should be better, and I want to know why with my config mcbob doesn't work as well. My config is: avisynth dll= 2.5.7.0 mvtool= 1.7.0.0 masktool=2.0a30 mcbob function is= mcbob This is an image with the mvbob and mcbob (mvbob is the upper image) The script I've used is: Code: avisource("F:\yadif.avi") converttoYv12() AssumeBFF() mvbob() # or mcbob lanczosresize(720,400) why mcbob does't work well ? I want to try to use it, but result aren't well Thanks for the answer.

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Didée Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5,391	Could be it's just too much noise. Looking at the background of the MVBob picture, there is no sign of MVBob's "dithering-denoise" side-effect, but lots of vertical spatial interpolation. Could well be that in most areas you're infact not getting any motion compensated bobbing, but just plain EEDI-bobbing ... Funnily, both look very similar in respect to the deinterlacing result. It's just that MCBob is much sharper (too much in this case), and so is the noise. Try MCBob(sharpness=0.0) and compare again. Probably the results will become rather equal, then. Fact is that MCBob won't deal too well with such noise as can be seen here. That would require the not-yet-existing internal denoising routine. Edit: BTW, there is >>avisource("F:\yadif.avi")<< ... is it really the raw source you're feeding, or has there been some pre-processing with yadif() ? __________________ - We´re at the beginning of the end of mankind´s childhood - My little flickr gallery. (Yes indeed, I do have hobbies other than digital video!) Last edited by Didée; 15th June 2007 at 14:55.

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wonkey_monkey Formerly davidh***** Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,496	Assuming the source is interlaced, and hasn't gone through Yadif, shouldn't the second line be: Code: converttoYv12(interlaced=true) ? David

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Didée Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5,391	Interesting. Looks like something is not working like it's supposed to be. Could you make a few frames of that recording available? __________________ - We´re at the beginning of the end of mankind´s childhood - My little flickr gallery. (Yes indeed, I do have hobbies other than digital video!)

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Didée Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5,391	That would be fully sufficient, yes. The indoor scene seems particularily useful for testing. __________________ - We´re at the beginning of the end of mankind´s childhood - My little flickr gallery. (Yes indeed, I do have hobbies other than digital video!)

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	This is with converttoYv12(interlaced=true), mcbob(sharpness=0.0) Upper mvbob (the same image of first post)

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	The same rec, but outside. Click____ image

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	10 frame of uncompressed video file ?

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	20 frame of video

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	Great Didée, are you making Dvbob?. I'm curious, news?

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Didée Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5,391	I got the sample, thank you. I'll look into it this WE, right now I'm too busy with other things. Analyzing both MVBob and MCBob is not done in five minutes, I need some free air to dive into it. __________________ - We´re at the beginning of the end of mankind´s childhood - My little flickr gallery. (Yes indeed, I do have hobbies other than digital video!)

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	Ok, thank you

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	news?

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Revgen Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Near LA, California, USA Posts: 1,545	I always use MVBob on noisy footage. It somehow naturally denoises it. It's not something Scharfi did on purpose, but I like it. It's also a heck of alot faster. MCBob really works well on sports footage with lines at weird angles. Really smooths them out especially if the footage is clean. __________________ Pirate: Now how would you like to die? Would you like to have your head chopped off or be burned at the stake? Curly: Burned at the stake! Moe: Why? Curly: A hot steak is always better than a cold chop.

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	I'm vey boring, i know, but i want to know if with my dv rec I have to use mvbob instead of mcbob...... With my pal mpeg rec from satellite, mcbob work excellent, and I use only him in avisynth deinterlacing. I've some beautifull rec that I have compress with x264, but ....... The possibility to make better.... Emm, I want more!!! I've upgraded with the 1.8.3 mvtool, but mcbob seem to deinterlace not well. Didee, write me that you had created an mcbob specifically for dv source!!!

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ficofico Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 146	I'm vey boring, i know, but i want to know if with my dv rec I have to use mvbob instead of mcbob...... With my pal mpeg rec from satellite, mcbob work excellent, and I use only him in avisynth deinterlacing. I've some beautifull rec that I have compress with x264, but ....... The possibility to make better.... Emm, I want more!!! I've upgraded with the 1.8.3 mvtool, but mcbob seem to deinterlace not well. Didee, write me that you had created an mcbob specifically for dv source!!!

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Didée Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5,391	>> I've upgraded with the 1.8.3 mvtool, but mcbob seem to deinterlace not well. Can't tell how it works together with MVTools v1.8.3. Perhaps it would need some adjustments to play together with the new features ... or not. can't tell yet, didn't try it. >> write me that you had created an mcbob specifically for dv source!!! Nope. My motivation currently is evanescent. __________________ - We´re at the beginning of the end of mankind´s childhood - My little flickr gallery. (Yes indeed, I do have hobbies other than digital video!)