Is there a chromatic aberration filter?

Malow · 11th August 2006, 05:31

hi, i will just enter in hdv world, (actualy using pro-dv) with canon XL-H1, but, this camera with "default" lens has serious chromatic aberration problems...

i will convert to cineform intermediate via avisynth, and i was wondering if exist a filter for CA filtering... is there any?

tnks!

Mug Funky · 11th August 2006, 05:54

eeks. that'd be good, but i don't know of one.

it _might_ be possible to use something like mvtools (with a large blocksize) to compensate the red and blue channels onto the green one, then merge back in.

...but i've yet to try this, and most likely there'll still be smears of yellow and purple left behind.

Malow · 11th August 2006, 06:05

mmm i will "try" to test... (i just used mvtools a bit)

there are some good filters for photoshop and paint shop to correct CA, whith very good results, so, i will pray for a holy man to do a "video" version...

what is the "logic" of clean CA? detect a linear color near a bright edge? smooth and shift? aparently CA is a "radial" problem, with more effect on borders of video...

Blue_MiSfit · 11th August 2006, 08:30

Fantastic camera, the XL-H1. A coworker of mine just got his. I would second your opinion that the default lens suffers from chromatic abberation. It is an excellent camera otherwise.

I would also be interested in testing filters on some sample clips I have (nearly 5 GB of gorgeous 1080i HDV).

Backwoods · 11th August 2006, 20:02

ChromaShift might help you.
http://www.geocities.com/siwalters_u...mashift26a.zip

There is a VirtualDub filter just for CA but I haven't tested it yet. I forget the name of that filter.

EDIT: Here you go, http://dsp.ucsd.edu/~wgardner/VirtualDub.htm

Fizick · 11th August 2006, 22:03

Usually CA is dependent on zoom factor

Malow · 12th August 2006, 07:47

mmmm i think i found a easy way... as CA for VD says, is just zoom the channel, i do a script like this:

ConvertToRGB24()
MergeRGB(Last, lanczosresize(1442,1082).crop(1,1,-1,-1), Last)

it separate , zoom and crop the channel.

a few tests show a nice result. will try to tweak...

Malow · 12th August 2006, 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizick

Usually CA is dependent on zoom factor

yeah, u are right.
now "this is a problem"...

i gess i wil make 2 scripts, one for no zoom, and other for medium zoom...

in full zoom it show almost no CA... OMG...

JMP · 12th August 2006, 08:09

Ehm... You surely know that you can do ...lanczosresize(1440,1080,1,1,-1,-1)...
to have it faster? OK, strictly speaking it is different, because it crops before resizing, but I don't think it makes any difference in your case

Malow · 12th August 2006, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMP

Ehm... You surely know that you can do ...lanczosresize(1440,1080,1,1,-1,-1)...
to have it faster? OK, strictly speaking it is different, because it crops before resizing, but I don't think it makes any difference in your case

mmm... NOW i know...

tnks!

IanB · 12th August 2006, 09:35

Note!
...resize(1440,1080,1,1,-1,-1)
versus
...resize(1442,1082).crop(1,1,-1,-1)

Are not exactly the same. The boundary conditions in the resizer are different. In the first case the edge row of pixels are not used in the output image, in the second they are. A very minor point.

Also the cropping factors on the resizers are floating point numbers so you can get subpixel adjustment if required.

And as your resize percentage change is very small you might experiment with the taps=N option of lanczos.

JMP · 12th August 2006, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanB

Also the cropping factors on the resizers are floating point numbers so you can get subpixel adjustment if required.

...and that can be very useful in this specific case - as it is rather unlikely, that the aberration is by a whole number of pixels exactly...

Malow · 13th August 2006, 04:13

it may be necessary subpixel, because the best settings show as 4 pixel zoom for green (2--2) ans 2 for red (1--1)

if processing interlaced content, i will need 0.5--0.5 for red, or maybe lower (0.25--0.25)

or even maybe the inverse precess (reduce other colors keping green)

wavelengths info show a proportional deviation about 1% for red and 2% for green (as blue for base)

my case looks exactly this.

i will try to do a test to see "witch one of RGB" is better to upzise/undersize"

JMP · 13th August 2006, 07:28

Actually the lens is probably axially symmetrical, thus the aberration should be symmetrical around the center of the frame. Therefore may I suggest ...resize(1440,1080,1,0.75,-1,-0.75)... would possibly be even better.

Fizick · 13th August 2006, 09:07

I am not sure, that abberations value is linear along radius.

JMP · 13th August 2006, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizick

I am not sure, that abberations value is linear along radius.

Actually, recalling my somewhat rusty knowledge of geometrical optics, it should probably be close to linear. Chromatic aberration appears because the focal length of a lens system changes with the light wavelength. And changing the focal length results, at least in the "thin lens" approximation, in simple image rescaling (and slight defocusing).

Fizick · 13th August 2006, 10:20

The real lens in not simple 1-glass. It consist of many glasses, and projected to compensate chromatic abbearration for some zones.

Other point. I know about one program which can get per-frame exposition info from DV stream (probably zoom too).
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114669
maybe it is possible get such info from HDV steam too (with other program), write to some file?, and use somehow.

Backwoods · 13th August 2006, 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fizick

maybe it is possible get such info from HDV steam too (with other program), write to some file?, and use somehow.

HDVInfo
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110021

Malow · 14th August 2006, 03:48

i think zoom info is not included...

redfordxx · 8th January 2008, 00:58

Hi, Malow

what is your latest script you developed?

I am looking for a way for batch processing of digital camera pictures to remove CA and maybe your script could help...

Thanx

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Malow In bytes we trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Torres Beach, Brazil Posts: 279	Is there a chromatic aberration filter? hi, i will just enter in hdv world, (actualy using pro-dv) with canon XL-H1, but, this camera with "default" lens has serious chromatic aberration problems... i will convert to cineform intermediate via avisynth, and i was wondering if exist a filter for CA filtering... is there any? tnks! Last edited by Malow; 11th August 2006 at 05:33.

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Mug Funky interlace this! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: i'm in ur transfers, addin noise Posts: 4,555	eeks. that'd be good, but i don't know of one. it _might_ be possible to use something like mvtools (with a large blocksize) to compensate the red and blue channels onto the green one, then merge back in. ...but i've yet to try this, and most likely there'll still be smears of yellow and purple left behind. __________________ sucking the life out of your videos since 2004

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Blue_MiSfit Derek Prestegard IRL Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,989	Fantastic camera, the XL-H1. A coworker of mine just got his. I would second your opinion that the default lens suffers from chromatic abberation. It is an excellent camera otherwise. I would also be interested in testing filters on some sample clips I have (nearly 5 GB of gorgeous 1080i HDV). __________________ These are all my personal statements, not those of my employer :)

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Backwoods ReMember Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 416	ChromaShift might help you. http://www.geocities.com/siwalters_u...mashift26a.zip There is a VirtualDub filter just for CA but I haven't tested it yet. I forget the name of that filter. EDIT: Here you go, http://dsp.ucsd.edu/~wgardner/VirtualDub.htm Last edited by Backwoods; 11th August 2006 at 20:50.

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Malow In bytes we trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Torres Beach, Brazil Posts: 279	mmmm i think i found a easy way... as CA for VD says, is just zoom the channel, i do a script like this: ConvertToRGB24() MergeRGB(Last, lanczosresize(1442,1082).crop(1,1,-1,-1), Last) it separate , zoom and crop the channel. a few tests show a nice result. will try to tweak... Last edited by Malow; 12th August 2006 at 07:53.

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Malow In bytes we trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Torres Beach, Brazil Posts: 279	mmm i will "try" to test... (i just used mvtools a bit) there are some good filters for photoshop and paint shop to correct CA, whith very good results, so, i will pray for a holy man to do a "video" version... what is the "logic" of clean CA? detect a linear color near a bright edge? smooth and shift? aparently CA is a "radial" problem, with more effect on borders of video...

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Fizick AviSynth plugger Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Russia Posts: 2,183	Usually CA is dependent on zoom factor

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JMP Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 29	Ehm... You surely know that you can do ...lanczosresize(1440,1080,1,1,-1,-1)... to have it faster? OK, strictly speaking it is different, because it crops before resizing, but I don't think it makes any difference in your case Last edited by JMP; 12th August 2006 at 08:18.

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IanB Avisynth Developer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,167	Note! ...resize(1440,1080,1,1,-1,-1) versus ...resize(1442,1082).crop(1,1,-1,-1) Are not exactly the same. The boundary conditions in the resizer are different. In the first case the edge row of pixels are not used in the output image, in the second they are. A very minor point. Also the cropping factors on the resizers are floating point numbers so you can get subpixel adjustment if required. And as your resize percentage change is very small you might experiment with the taps=N option of lanczos.

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Malow In bytes we trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Torres Beach, Brazil Posts: 279	it may be necessary subpixel, because the best settings show as 4 pixel zoom for green (2--2) ans 2 for red (1--1) if processing interlaced content, i will need 0.5--0.5 for red, or maybe lower (0.25--0.25) or even maybe the inverse precess (reduce other colors keping green) wavelengths info show a proportional deviation about 1% for red and 2% for green (as blue for base) my case looks exactly this. i will try to do a test to see "witch one of RGB" is better to upzise/undersize" Last edited by Malow; 13th August 2006 at 04:17.

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JMP Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 29	Actually the lens is probably axially symmetrical, thus the aberration should be symmetrical around the center of the frame. Therefore may I suggest ...resize(1440,1080,1,0.75,-1,-0.75)... would possibly be even better.

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Fizick AviSynth plugger Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Russia Posts: 2,183	I am not sure, that abberations value is linear along radius. __________________ My Avisynth plugins are now at http://avisynth.org.ru and mirror at http://avisynth.nl/users/fizick I usually do not provide a technical support in private messages.

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Fizick AviSynth plugger Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Russia Posts: 2,183	The real lens in not simple 1-glass. It consist of many glasses, and projected to compensate chromatic abbearration for some zones. Other point. I know about one program which can get per-frame exposition info from DV stream (probably zoom too). http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114669 maybe it is possible get such info from HDV steam too (with other program), write to some file?, and use somehow. __________________ My Avisynth plugins are now at http://avisynth.org.ru and mirror at http://avisynth.nl/users/fizick I usually do not provide a technical support in private messages.

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Malow In bytes we trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Torres Beach, Brazil Posts: 279	i think zoom info is not included...

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redfordxx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Praha (not that one in Texas) Posts: 863	Hi, Malow what is your latest script you developed? I am looking for a way for batch processing of digital camera pictures to remove CA and maybe your script could help... Thanx