Media Player .NET (MPDN) - D3D HQ GPU Video Renderer [v2.49.0/v1.31.0 27 Dec 2018] - Page 3

Volfield · 12th September 2014, 19:07

Zachs can you add support for XySubFilter?

Zachs · 13th September 2014, 01:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anima123

Thanks Zachs, that's exactly what the error from. Now I can use your player on playing back of video files, except for .wmv files, which generate another error.

Tbh I have not tested it with wmv files but I'll have a look. Does anyone know if Lav filters support the format?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volfield

Zachs can you add support for XySubFilter?

That was my first choice when I looked into adding subtitle support but it crashed. So I had to do with vsfilter instead for the moment. This is definitely on my todo list.

romulous · 13th September 2014, 05:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachs

Tbh I have not tested it with wmv files but I'll have a look. Does anyone know if Lav filters support the format?

It does, but not by default. With LAV Splitter, you have to enable the Windows Media checkbox when you run the LAV installer. With LAV Audio, wma audio is disabled by default, but you can open the filter properties and enable it. With LAV Video, I believe all wmv (VC1 etc) is enabled by default.

nevcairiel · 13th September 2014, 08:52

The default was changed quite some time ago, and Windows Media is now enabled by default in the installer.
Audio is indeed still disabled as the Microsoft decoder does a better job sometimes.

BetA13 · 14th September 2014, 18:40

quote:
Proper support for 10-bit (high bit-depth) output

how can i check if this is working?
i enabled it in the options menue and everything works....no error...
But how can i check the output? (ctrl - j) doesnt show it?!?!?

greetz

edit:
using an Nvidia GTX670 here...(win. 7 64bit)

huhn · 14th September 2014, 19:43

the current version tries to do it with direct x 9 this should not work

Keiyakusha · 15th September 2014, 04:37

This player looks very nice!
For quite some time I am dreaming of MPC-BE fork that will have all the unneeded stuff (decoders, splitters, dxva, renderers, web interface, subtitle engine...) stripped and will be hardcoded to use madvr, xysubfilter and external LAV filters. Basically what can be called madvr+lav+xy gui. Interestingly enough, even though MPDN doesn't uses the original madvr, it pretty much fits my definition of a good modern lightweight player. So I might switch to it to play all my videos once it'll have xysubfilter support and some more usability options like chapter selection, keys rebinding (default mpc-like binds sux) and fixed window size during loading new files ("auto-zoom" in MPC)

edison · 15th September 2014, 05:42

you can not do 10-bit scan-out in D3D9 with NVIDIA GTX 560, because 10-bit surface is not a forced standard in D3D9, you should use D3D10+.

Zachs · 15th September 2014, 07:44

Yes a few others have mentioned the same. I'm going to drop support for d3d9 GPUs in the next version and only target ones that support d3d10.

Kurtnoise · 15th September 2014, 07:47

Hi,

Could you add an option to hide/show the Menus ?

Zachs · 15th September 2014, 08:00

Will do.

madshi · 15th September 2014, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachs

Yes a few others have mentioned the same. I'm going to drop support for d3d9 GPUs in the next version and only target ones that support d3d10.

So no DXVA decoding/deinterlacing? Or does LAV already support DXVA for DX10/11?

nevcairiel · 15th September 2014, 11:40

You can do deinterlacing just fine, its independent of what the decoder does.
You're right however that it might make DXVA2-Native decoding break for now.

Zachs · 15th September 2014, 12:38

Dxva cb will still work too. I never supported dxva native to begin with anyway. Is there much to gain from dxva native decoding?

huhn · 15th September 2014, 13:04

you spare the a copyback/upload so it is a little bit faster.

maybe a problem for weaker GPU but you can't really notice a difference with mid-high end gpus.

madshi · 15th September 2014, 13:12

AMD generations older than 7xxx were very slow with copyback. They might still be able to do copyback 1080p24/1080i60, but just barely, IIRC. Personally, I'm not a big fan of DXVA decoding, anyway, but it seems to be important for some users.

Anima123 · 15th September 2014, 18:55

I wonder if dithering methods in MPDN are similar to madVR, since madVR's dithering cost a lot more GPU power.

madshi · 15th September 2014, 20:02

Which dithering option did you choose in madVR? And did you enable the related "trade quality for performance" option? And did you disable smooth motion FRC? FWIW, madVR uses a rather advanced version of ordered dithering. I don't know what MPDN is doing. It's probably a simpler implementation.

Anima123 · 15th September 2014, 22:10

Usually I'm using ordered dithering with madVR. I have tried more advanced algorithm, yet cannot get normal playback due to the weak gpu I had.

madshi · 15th September 2014, 22:28

Yes, but the ordered dithering algorithm in madVR is more advanced than what e.g. LAV does, or probably also what MPDN does. What is more, madVR's ordered dithering also by default (unless you enable that "trade quality" option) runs in linear light instead of gamma light. And if you enable smooth motion FRC, it has to dither many more frames than otherwise. So unless you level the playing field, it would not be fair to compare the rendering performance of madVR and MPDN. So you should at least enable that "trade quality" option and disable smooth motion FRC. And even then madVR still probably does more work because madVR's ordered dithering mask is probably bigger than MPDN's. I can't say the latter for sure, though, because I don't know what MPDN does exactly.

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,368	The default was changed quite some time ago, and Windows Media is now enabled by default in the installer. Audio is indeed still disabled as the Microsoft decoder does a better job sometimes. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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Keiyakusha 契約者 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,576	This player looks very nice! For quite some time I am dreaming of MPC-BE fork that will have all the unneeded stuff (decoders, splitters, dxva, renderers, web interface, subtitle engine...) stripped and will be hardcoded to use madvr, xysubfilter and external LAV filters. Basically what can be called madvr+lav+xy gui. Interestingly enough, even though MPDN doesn't uses the original madvr, it pretty much fits my definition of a good modern lightweight player. So I might switch to it to play all my videos once it'll have xysubfilter support and some more usability options like chapter selection, keys rebinding (default mpc-like binds sux) and fixed window size during loading new files ("auto-zoom" in MPC) Last edited by Keiyakusha; 15th September 2014 at 04:39.

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edison Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 108	you can not do 10-bit scan-out in D3D9 with NVIDIA GTX 560, because 10-bit surface is not a forced standard in D3D9, you should use D3D10+. Last edited by edison; 15th September 2014 at 05:45.

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,368	You can do deinterlacing just fine, its independent of what the decoder does. You're right however that it might make DXVA2-Native decoding break for now. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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12th September 2014, 19:07	#41 \| Link
Volfield Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 55	Zachs can you add support for XySubFilter?

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BetA13 cosmic entity Join Date: May 2011 Location: outside the Box Posts: 258	quote: Proper support for 10-bit (high bit-depth) output how can i check if this is working? i enabled it in the options menue and everything works....no error... But how can i check the output? (ctrl - j) doesnt show it?!?!? greetz edit: using an Nvidia GTX670 here...(win. 7 64bit)

14th September 2014, 19:43	#46 \| Link
huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,118	the current version tries to do it with direct x 9 this should not work

15th September 2014, 07:44	#49 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Yes a few others have mentioned the same. I'm going to drop support for d3d9 GPUs in the next version and only target ones that support d3d10.

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Kurtnoise Swallowed in the Sea Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Aix-en-Provence, France Posts: 5,191	Hi, Could you add an option to hide/show the Menus ?

15th September 2014, 08:00	#51 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Will do.

15th September 2014, 12:38	#54 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Dxva cb will still work too. I never supported dxva native to begin with anyway. Is there much to gain from dxva native decoding?

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,118	you spare the a copyback/upload so it is a little bit faster. maybe a problem for weaker GPU but you can't really notice a difference with mid-high end gpus.

15th September 2014, 13:12	#56 \| Link
madshi Registered Developer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,140	AMD generations older than 7xxx were very slow with copyback. They might still be able to do copyback 1080p24/1080i60, but just barely, IIRC. Personally, I'm not a big fan of DXVA decoding, anyway, but it seems to be important for some users.

15th September 2014, 18:55	#57 \| Link
Anima123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 504	I wonder if dithering methods in MPDN are similar to madVR, since madVR's dithering cost a lot more GPU power.

15th September 2014, 20:02	#58 \| Link
madshi Registered Developer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,140	Which dithering option did you choose in madVR? And did you enable the related "trade quality for performance" option? And did you disable smooth motion FRC? FWIW, madVR uses a rather advanced version of ordered dithering. I don't know what MPDN is doing. It's probably a simpler implementation.

15th September 2014, 22:10	#59 \| Link
Anima123 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 504	Usually I'm using ordered dithering with madVR. I have tried more advanced algorithm, yet cannot get normal playback due to the weak gpu I had.

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madshi Registered Developer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,140	Yes, but the ordered dithering algorithm in madVR is more advanced than what e.g. LAV does, or probably also what MPDN does. What is more, madVR's ordered dithering also by default (unless you enable that "trade quality" option) runs in linear light instead of gamma light. And if you enable smooth motion FRC, it has to dither many more frames than otherwise. So unless you level the playing field, it would not be fair to compare the rendering performance of madVR and MPDN. So you should at least enable that "trade quality" option and disable smooth motion FRC. And even then madVR still probably does more work because madVR's ordered dithering mask is probably bigger than MPDN's. I can't say the latter for sure, though, because I don't know what MPDN does exactly.