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Old 25th October 2012, 07:50   #41  |  Link
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I think those were images in the context where everyone experimented with oversharpening and BlindDeHalo but to be frank I'm not sure either,...
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Old 25th October 2012, 13:33   #42  |  Link
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Yeah I know it's hard to identify, I'm searching for the pictures but my files are a bit ... disorganized
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Old 1st November 2012, 20:13   #43  |  Link
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Isn t there really nobody who can provide me with a step by step guide how to config Finesharp?

I m using MPC-HC with madVR renderer and LAV Audio & Video filter.
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Old 2nd November 2012, 06:46   #44  |  Link
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If you are talking about tweaking finesharp I found the defaults to be the best for my eyes but I only spent about 30 minutes tweaking.

If you are talking about setting it up to be used during playback:

- install ffdshow
- configure ffdshow to decode the video (if using a different decoder set ffdshow to decode raw video)
- get avisynth 2.6 mt dll and put it in ffdshow directory
- in mpc-hc external filters page, add ffdshow, set to prefer, and move it to the top or just below the preferred decoder
- go to avisynth page in ffdshow and uncheck 'add ffdshow video source'
- set buffer back/ahead to 0 back/4-20 ahead (I buffer 6 ahead)
- paste this into the avisynth page of ffdshow
setmemorymax(64)
SetMTMode(2)
ffdshow_source()
FineSharp()
SetMTMode(1)
GetMTMode(false) > 0 ? distributor() : last
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Old 2nd November 2012, 09:00   #45  |  Link
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This was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a lot!

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If you are talking about tweaking finesharp I found the defaults to be the best for my eyes but I only spent about 30 minutes tweaking.
I ll try the default setting first.

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If you are talking about setting it up to be used during playback
Yes, want real-time playback config.

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install ffdshow
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/
This version?

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configure ffdshow to decode the video (if using a different decoder set ffdshow to decode raw video)
I use LAV Video decoder so I ll set the RAW filter in MPC-HC as prefered filter and set input to 'all supported' correct?

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go to avisynth page in ffdshow and uncheck 'add ffdshow video source'
CHECK! (I m @work now but I ll try it tonight)

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get avisynth 2.6 mt dll and put it in ffdshow directory
Where can I get this file? Can t find it with Google

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set buffer back/ahead to 0 back/4-20 ahead (I buffer 6 ahead)
I have a pretty fast CPU (i7 2600K oced@5Ghz). Do you also recommend this '0 back/4-20 ahead' for my CPU?

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setmemorymax(64)
SetMTMode(2)
ffdshow_source()
FineSharp()
SetMTMode(1)
GetMTMode(false) > 0 ? distributor() : last
So I just past this into the Avisyth page in ffdshow? On the posting of Didee (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1569035&postcount=2) I see another (extended) script not? And Didee also says ''Required plugins: MaskTools, RemoveGrain, Repair''. Don t I need to download these plugins and install them?
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Old 2nd November 2012, 15:48   #46  |  Link
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You do, and you need MaskTools2. (And if you by some miracle didn't know already, "installing" plugins is dumping them into the plugins directory.)
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MaskTools2
I found this download link at the top right of this page http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/MaskTools2. There are 4 .dll files in the extracted main folder:
'mt_masktools-25.dll'
'mt_masktools-25-x64.dll'
'mt_masktools-26.dll'
'mt_masktools-26-x64.dll'
Which of these do I copy paste in ?? directory?

RemoveGrain
Do I use this http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Removegrain site and 'v1.0 pre-release' download?

Repair
Can t find this one......

avisynth 2.6 mt dll
Can t find this one either......
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Old 5th November 2012, 23:30   #48  |  Link
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mt_masktools-26.dll is the one you want, place in avisynth\plugins directory, 25 means avisynth 2.5x, 26= 2.60

I use the pre-release with sse3 fix of removegrain, repair is also included

2.6 mt
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How can I get it to process only the right half of the image so I can more easily see what effect it is having? The option in ffdshow is disabled (cannot be checked). Thanks.
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Old 6th November 2012, 03:29   #50  |  Link
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Btw, for downsizing I'm often in favour of "bicubic with negative 'b' ", like e.g. bicubicresize(1280,720,-.5,.25). Neagtive b is hideous for upscaling, but comes very nice for downsizing. New rule: "b + 2c = 1 // for upsizing", and "b + 2c = 0 // for downsizing".

can you explain this equation better for a noob like me, please?
specifically:
what are b and c (what do they represent)?

If the answer above doesn't touch upon this, I also want to know: If I downscale from 1080p to 480p or 540p, is this equation the same as if just scaling down to 720?

thanks for all the expert advice
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mt_masktools-26.dll is the one you want, place in avisynth\plugins directory, 25 means avisynth 2.5x, 26= 2.60

I use the pre-release with sse3 fix of removegrain, repair is also included

2.6 mt
Hi turbojet can you give a little advice about how to make finesharp work with the avisynth version you mention above, thanks!
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How can I get it to process only the right half of the image so I can more easily see what effect it is having? The option in ffdshow is disabled (cannot be checked). Thanks.
l = crop(0,0,-width()/2,0)
r = (width()/2,0,0,0)

stackhorizontal(l,r.finesharp())

Or l.finesharp if that strikes you fancy, I don't know I'm not your mother.

Admittedly I haven't tested this yet, so it might break spectacularly, but it seems right. Certainly the right idea.
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l = crop(0,0,-width()/2,0)
r = (width()/2,0,0,0)

stackhorizontal(l,r.finesharp())

Or l.finesharp if that strikes you fancy, I don't know I'm not your mother.

Admittedly I haven't tested this yet, so it might break spectacularly, but it seems right. Certainly the right idea.
thanks. you meant

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r = crop(width()/2,0,0,0)
right?
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thanks. you meant

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r = crop(width()/2,0,0,0)
right?
Oh, yeah it helps to call functions rather than just list arguments, welp.
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Old 15th November 2012, 00:24   #55  |  Link
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dont think this does much if anything at all of worth if your already using madvr and the lav package with ffdshow raw video filter in mpchc, please correct me if im wrong


heres a reply from 6233638<

"One of the results posted looked interesting, but generally sharpening is detrimental to image quality in my experience, and I would certainly not want to be sharpening while upsampling the image"


whats youre oppinions on this?

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Old 15th November 2012, 01:38   #56  |  Link
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> please correct me if im wrong

Okay. Hereby you are corrected.


> whats youre oppinions on this?

Frankly? Sounds like self-profiling by coming up with a definitve statement, in a matter that's way too diversified to make such definite statements.

Anyway, I've no clue who this 6233638< is.
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well hes a member like all of us 6233638 , he is , anyhow so you say theres more to this than meets the eye , please id like to hear everyones oppinions on this , maybe id even go for it if its deffinitely worthwhile , thanks in advance
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It is easy to see if it is worthwhile, just try it!

I usually don't like extra sharpening either but some sources do look much better with it. There really is no "for everything anywhere" option.

This is another area where it is up to the user to decide what they like.

I don't think using MadVR+LAV or not has anything to do with it. Lanczos vs whatever EVR uses isn't that different.
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thanks that explains abit more
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Any chance this gets implemented directly into ffdshow some day?
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