ReClock DirectShow filter : try it !

[mmorselli]

Originally posted by bilu

I've noticed that when I activated the TV-OUT (ATI Rage Mobility P/M) on the laptop, Reclock reported a clock of 50 Hz instead of 60Hz.
Bilu

Yes, but if I want to see movies on LCD ? I have to set reclock manualy all time ?

[mazzo]

Thank you so much!

[mazzo]

Sorry - my thank you was for bilu. I'll try to use quotes next time.

[ogo]

Hi !

Version 0.99i is available. New Vsync monitor, fix for ac3filter, and sound cutting in some files ...

ogo

[mmorselli]

@ogo

I'm sorry, but I get no sound, exactly like version 0.99h

[slolsby]

Thanks ogo - it fixes AC3 sound for me with AC3filter. However, it still fails to detect my monitor refresh rate (75mhz) and switch into PAL mode - it only fails to do this with AC3 files through AC3filter.

What would be nice is if we could have an option to set a mode (PAL or NTSC) ourselves, and have it remembered between files. I'm running a Matrox Millenium G550 dual head, where the TV out goes via the secondary connector. I would like to be able to switch between PAL or NTSC output as I choose without having to change my monitor refresh rate.

Thanks

[Ewi]

0.99i works for me, again. I have no AC3 equipment but with 0.99h i had periodically sound dropouts (0.99h was the first version, that did not work for me); around every 30 seconds. Thats gone...

But some questions:

1) Setting the system default video renderer: normally I'm using Zoomplayer. But how can I switch there to VMR9? My system default renderer is VMR7 (at least that is what Relock tells me). If I choose 'Override VMR' in Zoomplayer, Zoomplayer freezes when Reclock is activated. So how can set the system default video renderer so Zoomplayer can use it. In MPC VMR switching is working.

Zoomplayer: 2.90
MPC: 6.4.3.1
WinXP,AthlonXP

2) When I activate the Tearing test I see the vertical bar. So far so good. But the width of this bar is doubled when playback is on and it is flickering. On pause I see the normal bar with its normal width. Is this normal? Thats the same under all renderers. Apart from that I do NOT see the bar broken somewhere in two parts or jerky movement (with the default target set to have of its size); I think with jerky movement you mean stuttering of the whole bar that is clearly visible and not that what I described above what you can interpret as a kind of jerky movement (cause I think if the bar size is doubled I see 2 bars at the same time and so 2 frames at the same time? Or is this some kind of optical illusions)

3) Before I get it: Is HyperSnapDX able to capture this? If it is I would try to make a screenshot. I ask cause I heard that it is THE standard to capture all kind of DirectX screens and is used whereever a game does not support screenshots. But I'm not a great gamer...


Thank you again...

[ogo]

@mmorselli : please send me your logfile (activate it with config app, then play something, and send me c:\reclock_log.txt)

@slolsby : i don't get you at all. You can't make something round square. If reclock detects 75hz, it can NOT resync correctly a NTSC movie and vice versa. There is nothing to force here. I think you are telling me it detects the monitor refresh rate regardless tv out is activated or not. I can't nothing for this (i can't detect this). As said in the readme, reclock will detect things correctly ONLY on primary monitor. You seem to use dvdmax mode, which can't be detected. To be ok, just make sure that tvout and monitor use a same root refresh rate (eg tv at 50hz, and monitor at 50hz for PAL, and 60hz for both in NTSC). Or i did not understand you ... Just tell me

[ogo]

@ewi

1) Setting the system default video renderer: normally I'm using Zoomplayer. But how can I switch there to VMR9? My system default renderer is VMR7 (at least that is what Relock tells me). If I choose 'Override VMR' in Zoomplayer, Zoomplayer freezes when Reclock is activated. So how can set the system default video renderer so Zoomplayer can use it. In MPC VMR switching is working.

Maybe you should try ZP beta 3. Very stable here with all the renderers, and you can choose VMR9. As said in the readme i discourage using VMR9 anyway.

2) When I activate the Tearing test I see the vertical bar. So far so good. But the width of this bar is doubled when playback is on and it is flickering. On pause I see the normal bar with its normal width. Is this normal? Thats the same under all renderers. Apart from that I do NOT see the bar broken somewhere in two parts or jerky movement (with the default target set to have of its size); I think with jerky movement you mean stuttering of the whole bar that is clearly visible and not that what I described above what you can interpret as a kind of jerky movement (cause I think if the bar size is doubled I see 2 bars at the same time and so 2 frames at the same time? Or is this some kind of optical illusions)

Just optical illusion. I see two bars too It all depends of the framerate. Yes by jerky movement i mean stuttering of the whole bar.

3) Before I get it: Is HyperSnapDX able to capture this? If it is I would try to make a screenshot. I ask cause I heard that it is THE standard to capture all kind of DirectX screens and is used whereever a game does not support screenshots. But I'm not a great gamer...

Should work yes (did not try myself)

[slolsby]

Sorry, ogo, I'm not being clear.

My primary monitor refresh rate is set to 75Mhz. If I play an AVI with MP3 soundtrack, Reclock detects and set PAL mode ok (and I get the green tray icon). If I play an AVI with AC3 soundtrack (using AC3filter), it does not detect PAL mode and I get a yellow tray icon.

I can set PAL mode manually when this happens, but if I am playing a two-part movie, when it changes to the second AVI, Reclock must be set manually again to PAL mode.

For DVDMAX, it doesn't matter what the refresh rate is for the primary monitor, so it would be nice to be able to set Reclock to either be permanently in PAL or NTSC mode.

[Ewi]

That was fast...

I have an addition(I hope I understood the principle): perhaps you should add a few words in part 3) of your readme regarding the Vsync bar cause if the 'average-bar' is not in the desired limits it is unnecessary to look if the tearing bar is stuttering or not. Or another idea: If the Tearing bar would change its color if the Vsync bar IS in the desired limits respectively IS NOT in the limits. Perhaps this would help avoid 'false' stuttering alarms...

Thank you ogo, what would we do without your work on reclock....

[cca]

Well, I don't have any more problems with AC3Filter but I noticed something new with VSync. VSYNC is generaly stable and the horizontal line doesn't move much with one exception; if DirectVobSub is loaded the horizontal line stays stable for a while and then moves around like crazy until is stablized again for a while and them moves again and this continues all the time until the video ends. It seems there is some issue between Reclock's VSYNC monitor and DirectVobSub.

[ogo]

@ewi : yes you're right i'll add that. I'll also put some keyboard shortcuts to play with the monitor (on/off, tearing test on/off, move the limits, ...). Had time to make some testing tonight, and it seems that the limits can be different for every file played ... Strange ...

@slolsby : what is the framerate of your file ? If it is 23.976, it is a normal behaviour not to enable PAL mode in AC3 mode, because it would give too much AC3 frame drop/repeat to make the sound stay in sync. Well i don't think it's explained in the readme.

[kallekill]

Hmm. I still got stuttering picture in my testclip. The only way to fix it is using media player 6.4. I can't get the vsync monitor to work with either media player 6.4 or media player classic. The player freezes after a few seconds. I can get it to work in Zoom Player though.

[mmorselli]

Originally posted by ogo
Maybe you should try ZP beta 3. Very stable here with all the renderers, and you can choose VMR9. As said in the readme i discourage using VMR9 anyway.

Better with Beta 6 ... No DVD support, but very strong support of other media...

Anyway, Blight (zoomplayer author) encourage using VMR9 and I agree with him 'cause VMR9 have better image quality and smooth play on my system and (As I say you via e-mail) using VMR9 to view DIVX with AC3 audio you can get a lot of jerky, more than with reclock, BUT, if you open "Video Mixing Render 9" windows (e.g opening with filter property function in zoomplayer) and put it on background (by
clicking on zoomplayer video area) jerky disapears at all !

I think that VMR9 works approximately like Reclock, but needs a lot of CPU to works... on my Celeron 1700 it works perfectly as I wrote, on my Celeron 400 with VMR9 I get no more than 12/13fps (against the 20/25 with old Overlay Mixer )

I Dont know if DirectX 9.0a works better... I try it when I get working version of reclock, 'cause DirectX is very hard to downgrade and I want an alternative if 9.0a dont works like 9.0 :-)

[Stalker]

Thanks for a great little App, Ogo !

2 small points, though:

I use ReClock mainly (and only) for it's better timing, which means I play my AC3 movies in "Original Speed". How can I force ReClock to start with "Original Speed" everytime, instead of "Auto" ?
It's annoying to have to set it each time - especially since I use a remote - making it fiddly at best

Another point is that I can't get DTS passthrough to work at all.
DTS works fine with WaveOut or DirectSound. I use InterVideo's Audio Decoder for SPDIF.

Again, thanks for making those impossible DivX's smooth as a baby's bum - even the movies I always thought were badly ripped work fine now

[Ewi]

@ogo:

Another point: lets assume PAL(25fps)material. If I understand it correctly the best thing that can happen is that this is played at exactly 25fps correctly integrated into the vsync. If this happens the renderer need not to wait very long for the vsync to come and display next frame. If I disable reclock I have 24.99 - 25.00 fps in VMR7 and VMR9 (if I wait 1-2 minutes;VMR seems to need its time to calibrate). If I enable Reclock I have in both renderers around 24.93 fps. I got this info from the filter properties of the renderers.

So what's going on there?

And: do you discourage to use VMR9 at all or only with reclock vsync correction enabled; i.e. is it better to use VMR9 with Reclock or VMR9 alone (if you have/want to use it for some reasons)

[ogo]

@Ewi

1) Setting the system default video renderer: normally I'm using Zoomplayer. But how can I switch there to VMR9? My system default renderer is VMR7 (at least that is what Relock tells me). If I choose 'Override VMR' in Zoomplayer, Zoomplayer freezes when Reclock is activated. So how can set the system default video renderer so Zoomplayer can use it. In MPC VMR switching is working.

Strange... Does it freeze too if you disable VSYNC monitor ? And if you disable completely reclock. Does this work with beta of ZP 3 (with and without monitor) ?

Another point: lets assume PAL(25fps)material. If I understand it correctly the best thing that can happen is that this is played at exactly 25fps correctly integrated into the vsync. If this happens the renderer need not to wait very long for the vsync to come and display next frame. If I disable reclock I have 24.99 - 25.00 fps in VMR7 and VMR9 (if I wait 1-2 minutes;VMR seems to need its time to calibrate). If I enable Reclock I have in both renderers around 24.93 fps. I got this info from the filter properties of the renderers.

I never figured out if those informations were reliable or not ... From what i saw on my system, VMR7 and Overlay renderers don't seem to do anything with VSYNC, but VMR9 does something. I'm very happy with VMR7 so i stick to this renderer.

And: do you discourage to use VMR9 at all or only with reclock vsync correction enabled; i.e. is it better to use VMR9 with Reclock or VMR9 alone (if you have/want to use it for some reasons)

Well, on my system (things may be different on yours), i always get stuttering with VMR9, with or without monitor.


@mmorselli

Yes, but if I want to see movies on LCD ? I have to set reclock manualy all time ?

Next version will permit you to lock speed settings

I think that VMR9 works approximately like Reclock, but needs a lot of CPU to works... on my Celeron 1700 it works perfectly as I wrote, on my Celeron 400 with VMR9 I get no more than 12/13fps (against the 20/25 with old Overlay Mixer )

I can't get VMR9 working properly on my system. Deinterlacing settings display garbage data, and i can't get properties under ZP without crashing the player. It's all the same with DX 9.0a. And yes VMR9 seems to do something on its own with VSYNC.
I also have trouble with MPC when i don't select "System default" as avideo renderer. In this cases, i get tearing, and MPC seems to do something with VSYNC too ...

@Stalker

I use ReClock mainly (and only) for it's better timing, which means I play my AC3 movies in "Original Speed". How can I force ReClock to start with "Original Speed" everytime, instead of "Auto" ?

You will be able to lock this in next version


@kallekill

The VSYNC monitor might have helped with making the videosync stay in sync when starting a movie and when you pause, then play. But it doesn't help when there is a slight jerk in the movie. It still goes out of sync at these points. I have found out that there is a much bigger chance that it stays in sync if you use divx 3.11 codec instead of ffdshow or if you use mediaplayer 6.4 instead of Zoomplayer. It's a petty I can't use the VSYNC monitor along with mediaplayer 6.4, but it might be because MP 6.4 has some kind of built in sync monitor.

Could you try the new option to give high priority in config app ? What problem do u have exactly with MP 6.4 ? Does it crash ?

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by cca
Well, I don't have any more problems with AC3Filter but I noticed something new with VSync. VSYNC is generaly stable and the horizontal line doesn't move much with one exception; if DirectVobSub is loaded the horizontal line stays stable for a while and then moves around like crazy until is stablized again for a while and them moves again and this continues all the time until the video ends. It seems there is some issue between Reclock's VSYNC monitor and DirectVobSub.

I even have it crash, when using VSync Monitor + DirectVobSub. ZP 5.5 beta + DVobSub 2.23 + ReClock V0.99i

[kallekill]

I am using the "give high priority option" but it doesn't help. I don't have any other programs in the background so that's not the problem. The problems are that when there is a stutter in the movie Reclock looses the video sync until you pause and play. I can only imagine that media player has some better way of handling stutters in the movies so that Reclock doesn't loose sync.

By the way, Reclock says that I am using "Old renderer" with Media Player 6.4 and "Overlay Mixer" in Zoomplayer. I am running Windows 2000 so I don't think I can use the new renderers (or can I?)

If I enable the vsync monitor, both Media Player 6.4 and Media Player Classic hang after 1-4 seconds of playback. It freezes compleatly and you have to kill it with Task Manager. It doesn't hang using Zoomplayer.