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[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

thr60i in CTelecineNew and thr2 in CPostProcessing must have the same value. Try this way.
If still does that, tomorrow I will look into it (same clip I guess). Also, you are supposed to bob after CTelecineNew.

I did make thr60i in CTelecineNew and thr2 in CPostProcessing same and it still got problems
the output of CTelecineNew is already 60fps! I think it wrong to do bob with it! but anyway that seems work but the output of bob seems not ok (to many ghosting)

Last version of mkvtoolnix doesn't accept that.

weird, I don't use last mkvtoolnix but it always "# timecode format v1" and all old tools and plugins only work with "# timecode format v1" even the last x264!

[Ceppo]

weird, I don't use last mkvtoolnix but it always "# timecode format v1" and all old tools and plugins only work with "# timecode format v1" even the last x264!

Could you please tell me how to input the vfr file with x264. I never done vfr before you asked for it so I don't know much. Since your suggestion seems more compatible I might change it.

I did make thr60i in CTelecineNew and thr2 in CPostProcessing same and it still got problems
the output of CTelecineNew is already 60fps! I think it wrong to do bob with it! but anyway that seems work but the output of bob seems not ok (to many ghosting)

We can do like that: if isBob false, expect double frame rate, if isBob true expect same frame rate, so you can use the bob from the original clip. Does this seems acceptable?

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

Could you please tell me how to input the vfr file with x264. I never done vfr before you asked for it so I don't know much. Since your suggestion seems more compatible I might change it.

We can do like that: if isBob false, expect double frame rate, if isBob true expect same frame rate, so you can use the bob from the original clip. Does this seems acceptable?

x264 has --tcfile-in for vfr timecode file

so this ok?

i=last
bob=stgmc(useEdiExt=2,EdiExt=sanimebob(useBWDIF=true, FastNnediHBD=true),Sharpness=0,tr2=2,ESearchP=true, Refinemotion=true, fastma=true)
#~ CTelecineNew(bob=true,write=true,thr60i=0.1)
CTelecineNew(bob=false,thr60i=0.1,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=false,edeint=i.CPostProcessingMask(bob=bob,nt=4),edeint2=bob)
CDecimateNew(isBob=false,error=false)

it seems work

edit: and yes it should not act like this for isbob=true, I think for isbob=true case it should "if isBob true expect same frame rate" as you said

[Ceppo]

Updated:
v1.0.6
- Fixed wrong frame count on CDecimateNew
- Now CPP expect same frame rate edeint/2 clip when isBob=true.

I didn't do much* testing, I have something going on.

Also you don't need to specify edeint with CCPMask with the same bob clip. It's automatic.

i=last
bob=stgmc(useEdiExt=2,EdiExt=sanimebob(useBWDIF=true, FastNnediHBD=true),Sharpness=0,tr2=2,ESearchP=true, Refinemotion=true, fastma=true)
#~ CTelecineNew(bob=true,write=true,thr60i=0.1)
CTelecineNew(bob=false,thr60i=0.1,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=false,edeint=i.CPostProcessingMask(bob=bob,nt=4),edeint2=bob)
CDecimateNew(isBob=false,error=false)

If Bob false, thr60i is ignored.

[real.finder]

thanks, work fine, but the timecode file still "# timestamp format v1"

anyway I will test more with some DVD later

[Ceppo]

I forgot, sorry. Tomorrow I will add it with a new parameter for CDecimateNew.

[real.finder]

one more thing, and it's about CTelecineNew

in CTelecineNew(bob=true) sometimes it show frame that not same as qtgmc and that makes some artifacts

also instead of just vinverse.dll can we have option to choose alternatives like https://github.com/Dogway/Avisynth-S...GMC.avsi#L1273 ?

[Ceppo]

one more thing, and it's about CTelecineNew

in CTelecineNew(bob=true) sometimes it show frame that not same as qtgmc and that makes some artifacts

It does field matching. So 1 field might be dropped for the adiacent while QTGMC does not. And can you give me a picture of those artefacts? QTGMC VS CTelecine VS Original

EDIT: what I said makes no sense. Might be a bug. If you could provide a sample clip that does that and point out some frame.

also instead of just vinverse.dll can we have option to choose alternatives like https://github.com/Dogway/Avisynth-S...GMC.avsi#L1273 ?

It depends by the filter. If it does not blending, it won't work. I'm not feeling well atm, can you give me a comparison of a telecined frame with vinverse vs your vinverse?

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

It does field matching. So 1 field might be dropped for the adiacent while QTGMC does not. And can you give me a picture of those artefacts? QTGMC VS CTelecine VS Original


It depends by the filter. If it does not blending, it won't work. I'm not feeling well atm, can you give me a comparison of a telecined frame with vinverse vs your vinverse?

I know it do field matching, I didn't mean CTelecine did it but when using it like this

bob=stgmc(tr0=-2,useEdiExt=1,EdiExt=sanimebob(useBWDIF=true, FastNnediHBD=true),Sharpness=0,tr2=5, Refinemotion=true, fastma=true)
#~ CTelecineNew(bob=true,write=true,thr60i=0.2)
CTelecineNew(bob=true,thr60i=0.2,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=true,edeint2=bob)
CDecimateNew(isBob=true,error=false)

look at the Teeth

tfm kinda do same sometimes, but it's ok with

istff=GetParity()
bobclip=qtgmc
Interleave(TFM(field=istff ? 1 : 0, micmatching=0, mode=0, clip2=bobclip.selecteven()), TFM(field=istff ? 0 : 1, micmatching=0, mode=0, clip2=bobclip.selectodd()))

vinverse originally was a script function by Didée then tritical make it a plugin, but now the dll version is outdated in case of HBD and some other improvements so there are Vinverse_avsi and ex_vinverse since the dll didn't get any updated since 10 years, that why I asked about option to choose alternatives

[Ceppo]

I don't have your bob filter to check. Try without using CPostProcessingMask as edeint clip. It might be it failing with your bob filter.

About vinverse, ok. There is a problem, I can't load the page anymore.

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

I don't have your bob filter to check. Try without using CPostProcessingMask as edeint clip. It might be it failing.

About vinverse, ok. There is a problem, I can't load the page anymore.

I already don't use CPostProcessingMask now

any bob can be a problem, you can use just
bob=qtgmc

and what page? this ?

[Ceppo]

With

bob = QTGMC()
CTelecineNew(nt=2,bob=true,thr60i=0.2,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=true,edeint2=bob)

I don't see any problem aside QTGMC ghosting.

I already don't use CPostProcessingMask now

If you don't specify an edeint clip, is default.

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

With

bob = QTGMC()
CTelecineNew(nt=2,bob=true,thr60i=0.2,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=true,edeint2=bob)

I don't see any problem aside QTGMC ghosting.

If you don't specify an edeint clip, is default.

ok, so QTGMC was not a good replacment, bob=TDeint(1) should do it

[Ceppo]

About CTelecineNew getting the wrong frame, can you point a frame number from that clip?

EDIT:
I don't have TDeint

EDIT2:
I think there is a misunderstanding here.

If you asked me to use TDeint, then what you should do is to check:

bob=stgmc(tr0=-2,useEdiExt=1,EdiExt=sanimebob(useBWDIF=true, FastNnediHBD=true),Sharpness=0,tr2=5, Refinemotion=true, fastma=true)
#~ CTelecineNew(bob=true,write=true,thr60i=0.2)
CTelecineNew(bob=true,thr60i=0.2,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=true,edeint=bob,edeint2=bob)
CDecimateNew(isBob=true,error=false)

and see if it still does it.

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

About CTelecineNew getting the wrong frame, can you point a frame number from that clip?

you mean the image above? 1444

if you mean CTelecineNew(bob=true) vs bob then it's seems fine with any bob now! maybe I did something wrong in the first time

[Ceppo]

I'm glad it works now. Tomorrow I will add ex_vinverse() as a mode.

EDIT:
I also need to rewrite the old modes and make a single CTelecine function and CDecimate function. For now, I will wait some days for bugs reports. Then I will get to it. I will also add old comb detection methods to CPostProcessing for everyone's tastes. And I will add yet another field matching mode.

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

About CTelecineNew getting the wrong frame, can you point a frame number from that clip?

EDIT:
I don't have TDeint

EDIT2:
I think there is a misunderstanding here.

If you asked me to use TDeint, then what you should do is to check:

bob=stgmc(tr0=-2,useEdiExt=1,EdiExt=sanimebob(useBWDIF=true, FastNnediHBD=true),Sharpness=0,tr2=5, Refinemotion=true, fastma=true)
#~ CTelecineNew(bob=true,write=true,thr60i=0.2)
CTelecineNew(bob=true,thr60i=0.2,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=true,edeint=bob,edeint2=bob)
CDecimateNew(isBob=true,error=false)

and see if it still does it.

yes that what was missing, thanks

bob1=CTelecineNew(bob=true)
bob2=stgmc(useEdiExt=2,EdiExt=sanimebob(useBWDIF=true, FastNnediHBD=true),Sharpness=0,tr2=2,ESearchP=true, Refinemotion=true, fastma=true)
#~ CTelecineNew(bob=true,write=true,thr60i=0.2)
CTelecineNew(bob=true,thr60i=0.2,inputTxt=true)
CPostProcessing(0.1,0.9,isbob=true,edeint=bob1,edeint2=bob2)
CDecimateNew(isBob=true,error=false)

[Ceppo]

Just wondering, you guys prefer 2 dlls, one with IVTC stuff and one with CDuplicate stuff or is fine a single one?

[kedautinh12]

Tdeint here:
https://github.com/pinterf/TIVTC/releases

[real.finder]

Originally Posted by Ceppo

Just wondering, you guys prefer 2 dlls, one with IVTC stuff and one with CDuplicate stuff or is fine a single one?

I don't mind either case

I did vfr test with dvd, seems ok in everything for now but I note that the 60i detected not work good with some sources even with thr60i=0.1 here small sample https://www.sendspace.com/file/96xnbn