Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64

[chros]

Originally Posted by steakhutzeee

I use mpc-be with my configuration (signature) on a 1920*1080 full hd monitor.

I tried with ISR, VSFilter and XYSubFilter but i can't see subs in the black bars when i see a movie.

I use madvr and in the zoom settings i've selected to move subs to the bottom.

OK, here are the working settings for 1080p screen:

madVR - zoom control:
- x disable scaling if image size changes by only: ... 25 lines or less
- x move subtitles: ... to bottom of the screen/window
- x auto detect hard coded black bars
- x notify media player about cropped black bars: ... no more than once every 2 sec
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: ... forever
- x crop black bars

MPC-BE - Options:
- Subtitles:
-- Subtitle renderer: internal subtitle renderer
-- x Prefer external subtitles over embedded subtitles
-- x Use Subresync (this is an amazing feature from Gabest!)
- Subtitles - Rendering:
-- disable here: "Override placement"
-- Sub pictures to buffer: 10
-- Max texture resolution: Desktop
-- x Allow dropping some subpictures if the queue is running late
- Subtitles - Default Style:
-- Screen Alignement & Margins:
--- bottom middle
--- Left, Top, Right: 20
--- Bottom: 9
--- disable here: "Position subtitles relative to the video frame"
-- Border style: Opaque box, border width: 2, Shadow width: 3
-- Colors & Transparency:
--- Primary, Secondary: ~90% ; Outline: ~60% ; Shadow: ~50%
--- disable here: "Link alpha channels"
-- Font: Arial, size: 16 (depends on the size of the screen)

Originally Posted by v0lt

This is not true. Sometimes it does not show anything.

I think it works OK (using external LAV filters (copyback direct mode) and madVR), I saw once when LAV reported that copyback is used and MPC-BE didn't display GPU icon: with Ducks.Take.Off.2160p.QHD.CRF25.x264

[steakhutzeee]

Originally Posted by chros

OK, here are the working settings for 1080p screen:

madVR - zoom control:
- x disable scaling if image size changes by only: ... 25 lines or less
- x move subtitles: ... to bottom of the screen/window
- x auto detect hard coded black bars
- x notify media player about cropped black bars: ... no more than once every 2 sec
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: ... forever
- x crop black bars

MPC-BE - Options:
- Subtitles:
-- Subtitle renderer: internal subtitle renderer
-- x Prefer external subtitles over embedded subtitles
-- x Use Subresync (this is an amazing feature from Gabest!)
- Subtitles - Rendering:
-- disable here: "Override placement"
-- Sub pictures to buffer: 10
-- Max texture resolution: Desktop
-- x Allow dropping some subpictures if the queue is running late
- Subtitles - Default Style:
-- Screen Alignement & Margins:
--- bottom middle
--- Left, Top, Right: 20
--- Bottom: 9
--- disable here: "Position subtitles relative to the video frame"
-- Border style: Opaque box, border width: 2, Shadow width: 3
-- Colors & Transparency:
--- Primary, Secondary: ~90% ; Outline: ~60% ; Shadow: ~50%
--- disable here: "Link alpha channels"
-- Font: Arial, size: 16 (depends on the size of the screen)

Thanks! It works!! Why you use this and not any external filter like VSFilter or XYSubfilter?

Can you explain to me what the option you use does? MadVR configuration is not so clear too. If it's not lot of bother Thanks!!

[v0lt]

Originally Posted by chros

I saw once when LAV reported that copyback is used and MPC-BE didn't display GPU icon: with Ducks.Take.Off.2160p.QHD.CRF25.x264

I do not confirm this.
MPC-BE 1.5.1 (build 2960) beta, LAV Video Decoder 0.70.2.74-git.

[chros]

Originally Posted by v0lt

I do not confirm this.
MPC-BE 1.5.1 (build 2960) beta, LAV Video Decoder 0.70.2.74-git.

Today it shows it here as well

Originally Posted by steakhutzeee

Thanks! It works!! Why you use this and not any external filter like VSFilter or XYSubfilter?

- I don't like to use any additional filter if a feature can be done within the player itself
- VSFilter is equal to the internal subtitle renderer!
- and the reason is the mentioned SubResync ! (View->SubResync (CTRL+6))

Originally Posted by steakhutzeee

Can you explain to me what the option you use does? MadVR configuration is not so clear too. If it's not lot of bother Thanks!!

No worries. I just go through the major ones (you can play with the rest and you'll see the effect):

madVr:
- x disable scaling if image size changes by only: ... 25 lines or less
---- it doesn't turn on the scaling algorithms for small size changes, e.g.: if your display is 1920x1080 and your video file 1904x1064 (e.g. with web-dls)
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: ... forever
---- this is for hardcoded subs in black bar

MPC-BE:
-- x Prefer external subtitles over embedded subtitles
---- it will always select first the external sub (srt) if it exist and you have set a preferred language at "Options -> Playback -> Default track preference; Sub: 'hu hun en eng' "
-- Max texture resolution: Desktop
---- renders the sub at desktop resolution: it will be more finer
--- disable here: "Position subtitles relative to the video frame"
---- since we cropped the possible black bars in madVR it's important to disable this: it will always position relative to the window of the player this way

So, the important settings were to achieve what you wanted:
madVR - zoom control:
- x move subtitles: ... to bottom of the screen/window
- x auto detect hard coded black bars
- x notify media player about cropped black bars: ... no more than once every 2 sec
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: ... forever
- x crop black bars
MPC-BE - Options:
-- Subtitle renderer: internal subtitle renderer
- Subtitles - Rendering:
-- disable here: "Override placement"
-- Screen Alignement & Margins:
--- Bottom: 9
--- disable here: "Position subtitles relative to the video frame"

[steakhutzeee]

Originally Posted by chros

Today it shows it here as well


- I don't like to use any additional filter if a feature can be done within the player itself
- VSFilter is equal to the internal subtitle renderer!
- and the reason is the mentioned SubResync ! (View->SubResync (CTRL+6))


No worries. I just go through the major ones (you can play with the rest and you'll see the effect):

madVr:
- x disable scaling if image size changes by only: ... 25 lines or less
---- it doesn't turn on the scaling algorithms for small size changes, e.g.: if your display is 1920x1080 and your video file 1904x1064 (e.g. with web-dls)
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: ... forever
---- this is for hardcoded subs in black bar

MPC-BE:
-- x Prefer external subtitles over embedded subtitles
---- it will always select first the external sub (srt) if it exist and you have set a preferred language at "Options -> Playback -> Default track preference; Sub: 'hu hun en eng' "
-- Max texture resolution: Desktop
---- renders the sub at desktop resolution: it will be more finer
--- disable here: "Position subtitles relative to the video frame"
---- since we cropped the possible black bars in madVR it's important to disable this: it will always position relative to the window of the player this way

So, the important settings were to achieve what you wanted:
madVR - zoom control:
- x move subtitles: ... to bottom of the screen/window
- x auto detect hard coded black bars
- x notify media player about cropped black bars: ... no more than once every 2 sec
- x keep bars visible if they contain subtitles: ... forever
- x crop black bars
MPC-BE - Options:
-- Subtitle renderer: internal subtitle renderer
- Subtitles - Rendering:
-- disable here: "Override placement"
-- Screen Alignement & Margins:
--- Bottom: 9
--- disable here: "Position subtitles relative to the video frame"

Thanks! I'm studying this now I asked because last evening I saw a movie, and the image was effectively "zoomed". On certain parts the black bars were cropped effectively. I've seen the difference opening the same file in VLC. This can achieve a worse video quality? This kind of "forced zoom on a video". This is the source of my doubts.

So I effectively need to crop the black bars in the madvr settings? And there is the other command to keep them visible if there are subs. What this is about? If I want always the black bars instead?

My doubt is because black bars are cropped only if i select the option 'if there are big black bars', so i can delete the bars completely, so what's the use of the option 'crop black bars'? i can't see difference if i disable it.

And, can i use these settings with LAV Splitter installed and active?

Hope it's clear :P

Thanks again and again


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[Grimsdyke]

Chapter markers are still somewhat tricky !! They work for example on Blu-Ray #1 of Nightwish's Vehicle of Spirit but not on BR #2.

[chros]

Originally Posted by steakhutzeee

If I want always the black bars instead?

Well, the idea behind cropping black bars is that video card has less amount of data to deal with. If it's not an issue for you then you don't need this feature in madvr.

Originally Posted by steakhutzeee

And, can i use these settings with LAV Splitter installed and active?

That's how I use them (see my signature).

Can you ask the rest of the question in madvr thread since they're not mpc-be related?

[steakhutzeee]

Originally Posted by chros

Well, the idea behind cropping black bars is that video card has less amount of data to deal with. If it's not an issue for you then you don't need this feature in madvr.


That's how I use them (see my signature).

Can you ask the rest of the question in madvr thread since they're not mpc-be related?

Sure, and thank you for your help! I solved my issue and... I love subresync feature!

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[chros]

Originally Posted by steakhutzeee

Sure, and thank you for your help! I solved my issue and... I love subresync feature!

Good to hear it, enjoy!

[Klaus1189]

If I use madvr and enable "delay playback until renderer is full" the taskbar indicator (is it called that way?) displays pause and yellow color progress of file. Is that something that can be fixed? In MPC-BE or madvr?

[ryrynz]

Hey Volt, any chance of getting audio info (same as clicking the AUD button) displaying on the OSD via hotkey?

[Megalith]

Is there an option to display an audio graph for a video file? It would make finding (seeking to) dialog a lot easier.

[v0lt]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

Hey Volt, any chance of getting audio info (same as clicking the AUD button) displaying on the OSD via hotkey?

File->Properties.

Originally Posted by Megalith

Is there an option to display an audio graph for a video file? It would make finding (seeking to) dialog a lot easier.

No.

[ryrynz]

Yeah, I was wanting something a bit tidier than that. Prefer to stay in fullscreen and just use tasteful OSD display rather than have some window come up over the video, plus you need to scroll..
Will you consider?

[v0lt]

@ryrynz
I do not understand your problem. But on the basis of what I understood, my answer is no.

[ryrynz]

I want without breaking out of full screen mode to tell what the audio output is. This way I can set the receiver to Stereo x7 if the audio is stereo rather than some surround mode. ATM I have to use properties (as you said) and scroll or come out of full screen to click the AUD button. A simple OSD message showing the audio track information is neat and quick. Perhaps along with show name of media file we can include audio info video info as well when file first loads rather than just title only?

Example.

[Aleksoid1978]

Originally Posted by ryrynz

I want without breaking out of full screen mode to tell what the audio output is. This way I can set the receiver to Stereo x7 if the audio is stereo rather than some surround mode. ATM I have to use properties (as you said) and scroll or come out of full screen to click the AUD button. A simple OSD message showing the audio track information is neat and quick. Perhaps along with show name of media file we can include audio info video info as well when file first loads rather than just title only?

Example.

No, this information will not be in OSD.

[Zinglar]

Is there a way to start the program with a preset directory where my media files would be found? I tried to do it by starting the program using a shortcut, but it didn't make any difference. File Open File/URL... defaults to Documents on C drive, but I would prefer it to point to a different directory.

[v0lt]

@Zinglar
Open any file in the desired folder.

[nsnhd]

How to speed up subtitles, because the "Delay Interval" doesn't accept negative values ?