madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[el Filou]

Originally Posted by Fabulist

I always kept sharpness to 50 (default) because I always assumed that 50 is 0 for Panasonics, in a sense that anything below 50 will make the screen unnaturally smoother, like for example DOOM's (2016) sharpness slider has 0 at 1/4 or some TVs that have for example 30 as 0 and anything below it increases smoothness. Are you sure 0 is recommended for Panasonics? I know there is a general sense that it should always be 0 but that is not the case for all TVs and systems since some have their "0" at a higher number other than 0.

I see what you mean, my LCD monitor at my workplace does that, but here Sharpness 50 with HDMI Content Type to Off still sharpens, you can see it by looking closely e.g. at black text or borders of GUI elements displayed on grey background in Windows, there is a white halo around it. It's quite faint, but visible.

[Fabulist]

Originally Posted by el Filou

I see what you mean, my LCD monitor at my workplace does that, but here Sharpness 50 with HDMI Content Type to Off still sharpens, you can see it by looking closely e.g. at black text or borders of GUI elements displayed on grey background in Windows, there is a white halo around it. It's quite faint, but visible.

So you are suggesting an absolute 0 or is there a method of calibration to figure out the non-smoothing 0?

[iSeries]

Originally Posted by huhn

well bad news on sony screens 50% is usually neutral and yes if you go lower it will unsharp.

Indeed, and it often differs among models made by the same manufacturer. For example I have an LG LCD and neutral sharpness is actually 50. On my LG plasma, neutral sharpness is 10. It's definitely not a setting you can blindly set to 0.

[David]

@Fabulist
https://www.missingremote.com/guide/...bration-part-i

Steps 4, 5 and 7.

Download mp4 from the link Asmodian told you and play them with the player you use with madvr.

Originally Posted by Asmodian

Try out the levels test patterns AVS-HD 709, they help with understanding what your TV is doing.

[chros]

Originally Posted by madshi

No, definitely not. This is why I don't like if people comment in this thread with "I have the same problem" or with "I noticed the same thing", because it's rarely really the same thing. The original user reported problems with DVD *menus*, not with external srt subs.

Sorry about this, my bad

[Razoola]

@Fabulist

There is no point in your playing around with setting on the PC until you have set the TV correctly. If the THX modes (bright and dark room)look bad it is because you have not yet calibrated them. One thing is for sure, if you use the dynamic setting the TV will be doing alot of processing. If your dead against using the THX setting, the next best would be the cinema setting.

I owned panasonic plasma for many years and never had an issue with the THX modes, they are the only modes you should use really.

Raz

[Jasch]

Thx madshi
HDR switch on RX460 is working now (92.4)

But i have still this strange "issue" (maybe not a bug).

AMD CP is set to RGB Full 4:4:4, madvr 0-255 10bit or more.
all automatic switching + hdr let madvr dec.

Playing 1080p 8bit everything fine.
4k50 looks good for me, madvr says 10bit but Avr still says 8bit
4k23 HDR, HDR working says 10 bit, AVR still says 8bit.(colors looking right)

If i set AMD CP to 10bit
1080p 8bit colors are wrong(AVR says 10bit)
4k50 madvr says 10bit, AVR 8bit(Colors i.o)
4k23 HDR, madvr and AVR report 10bit(Colors i.o).

Strange?

[dvd1]

display 60.00030Hz
clock deviation 0.00050%
smooth motion off (settings)
D3D1 1 fullscreen windowed (8 bit)
NV12,8 bit,4:2:0
movie 2 5.000 fps (says source filter)
I 720x576-> 720x437,2.34:1 (35mm film)
scale 0,70,720,507 -> 0,130,1920,949
touch window from inside
chroma> NGU Sharp (mcd)
luma x> NGU Sharp (high)4x <
luma y> NGU Sharp (high) 4x <
chroma> Bicubic60AR
vsync 1 6.67ms, frame 40.OOms
matrix BT.601 (best guess)
primaries EBU/PAL (best guess)
limited range (says upstream)
deinterlacing off (says upstream)
decoder queue 1 5-16 / 16
subtitle queue 15-16 / 16
upload queue 7-8 / 8
render queue 7-8 / 8
present queue 7-8 / 8
dropped framesO
delay Fames 0
presentation glitches 0
average stats rendering 17.01 ms
present 0.07m s
max stats (Ss) s— _______
rendering 17.59ms ____
present 0.1 2ms - _________

what should I be careful not to bring the graphics card to the limit that any video type?

[nussman]

@dvd1: madshi already answered this:

Originally Posted by madshi

The GPU is at the limit when the average rendering time gets near to the "frame" interval (e.g. 41.71ms for 23.976fps movies).

[dvd1]

display 60.00030Hz
clock deviation 0.00050%
smooth motion off (settings)
D3D1 1 fullscreen windowed (8 bit)
NV12,8 bit,4:2:0
movie 2 5.000 fps (says source filter)
I 720x576-> 720x437,2.34:1 (35mm film)
scale 0,70,720,507 -> 0,130,1920,949
touch window from inside
chroma> NGU Sharp (mcd)
luma x> NGU Sharp (high)4x <
luma y> NGU Sharp (high) 4x <
chroma> Bicubic60AR
vsync 1 6.67ms, frame 40.OOms
matrix BT.601 (best guess)
primaries EBU/PAL (best guess)
limited range (says upstream)
deinterlacing off (says upstream)
decoder queue 1 5-16 / 16
subtitle queue 15-16 / 16
upload queue 7-8 / 8
render queue 7-8 / 8
present queue 7-8 / 8
dropped framesO
delay Fames 0
presentation glitches 0
average stats rendering 17.01 ms
present 0.07m s
max stats (Ss) s— _______
rendering 17.59ms ____
present 0.1 2ms - _________

what should I look exactly?

[nussman]

Look at:
frame 40.00ms
and
average stats rendering 17.01 ms

[huhn]

average stats rendering 17.01 ms

[Fabulist]

Originally Posted by David

@Fabulist
https://www.missingremote.com/guide/...bration-part-i

Steps 4, 5 and 7.

Download mp4 from the link Asmodian told you and play them with the player you use with madvr.

Thanks for the article, is there a way for me to get the names of the software he uses (or a higher resolution of the images if that is all he uses)? Maybe something basic and simple for simpletons like me in order to just test the Sharpness setting?

Originally Posted by Razoola

@Fabulist

There is no point in your playing around with setting on the PC until you have set the TV correctly. If the THX modes (bright and dark room)look bad it is because you have not yet calibrated them. One thing is for sure, if you use the dynamic setting the TV will be doing alot of processing. If your dead against using the THX setting, the next best would be the cinema setting.

I owned panasonic plasma for many years and never had an issue with the THX modes, they are the only modes you should use really.

Raz

Thanks but I am testing/configuring the modes during blu-ray play or when I can get an equivalent signal from the PC (the Limited-Limited-Limited problematic mode I use). I use Dynamic mode as a basis, not as a default, pretty much everything is off and colours are set to normal. I do know what kind of processing it does, mostly.

That is why I also have a "Custom" mode which is more pure than Dynamic, as it rids of special colour adjustments, uses the native display colours, disabled extended blacks and adaptive gamma. However, it still uses an S gamma curve instead of 2.2/2.4, because it simply looks better to me and everyone else I tested it with. So the modes selected and configured where pretty much gone under a vote/discussion under multiple movies (many times the same over and over), so to speak. Dynamic is more or less for problem solving or problematic content, otherwise I use the Custom settings I mentioned above.

But no, I do not want to use the THX modes under any circumstances, they look completely broken to even use as a basis and tweak from there, something I cannot really do considering almost all options are grayed out (even advanced settings). So calibration, even if I knew how to do it, is not possible on these modes.

[huhn]

Dynamic on panasonic is vivid mode just saying but what ever.

well let's make it simple as long as you don't recommend your broken limited limited limited anywhere fine just life with it.

[Fabulist]

Originally Posted by huhn

Dynamic on panasonic is vivid mode just saying but what ever.

well let's make it simple as long as you don't recommend your broken limited limited limited anywhere fine just life with it.

I do not know what "Vivid mode" is and I am not recommending anything to anyone, I am still waiting for madshi or someone else to figure out a solution assuming there is one and the TV or something else is not broken.

And you should be wary of rushing into conclusions, considering the 'broken' limited-limited-limited provides nearly the same image as a blu-ray player with a disc does on two different blu-ray players and TVs.

[dvd1]

when the frame 40.00ms is equal to average stats rendering 40.00 ms

graphics card at the limit?

[huhn]

sorry there is nothing to talk about limited range GPU and limited range madVR is wrong. it can't be correct under any circumstance if the rest is working correctly and setup correctly. the image output from the GPU is not limited and not full range so it is wrong.

1+1 = 2 or maybe 10 but not 3.
if the GPU is not applying the range compression and/or the AVR in the middle is playing around with the image to make it somehow work has nothing todo will not change that this setup is wrong.

[huhn]

Originally Posted by dvd1

when the frame 40.00ms is equal to average stats rendering 40.00 ms

graphics card at the limit?

it is over the limited or to make it easier if you are dropping frames you are over it.

[dvd1]

http://madshi.net/madVR/NGU/clown4xNguSharp.png I do not like
http://madshi.net/madVR/NGU/clown4xNguSoft.pnghow much do I like, what are the settings to observe them?
sd to 1080p

[nussman]

It's been repeated several times what madVR is doing for limited and full range setting.
Everything about Panasonic or others display with thx, dynamic etc. modes imho is really off topic here.
I understand that home cinema setup is difficult with all the different devices and settings, but I think for this kind of problems its better to start a new thread.

@dvd1: Yes!