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SeeMoreDigital 4th February 2004 21:00

Just as a side question....

Can somebody explain to me why it is that all these kinds of tools display different bitrate sizes for the same encode?

Cheers

Kyle_Katarn 4th February 2004 21:51

Great ! I'll give this a look.

Kyle_Katarn 4th February 2004 21:52

Quote:

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Just as a side question....

Can somebody explain to me why it is that all these kinds of tools display different bitrate sizes for the same encode?

Cheers

The problem comes from the fact that video bitrate are not always explicitely defined in some files (AVI...) and have to be "guessed"...

SeeMoreDigital 4th February 2004 22:40

Yep,

I have to admit this has always been a bit of an annoyance for me.

Okay I understand that many encodes are now 2pass VBR but I would have thought that once the audio stream bitrate (in kbps) has been identified (and deducted from the overall file size), calculating the 'average' video stream bitrate should be quite straight forward!

I guess things would become more difficult if both the video and audio streams are variable. As maybe the only way to accurately determine the average bitrate of the entire file would be to de-mux the streams out of their container. And calculate the average bitrate of each stream against each streams file size!

But I'm no programmer or software designer. Just an end user!

Cheers

Kyle_Katarn 4th February 2004 22:43

The problem also comes from "overheading" data. This means data that belongs to the container (block headers...) and not to the stream... You can only "estimate" it...

SeeMoreDigital 4th February 2004 23:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Kyle_Katarn
The problem also comes from "overheading" data. This means data that belongs to the container (block headers...) and not to the stream... You can only "estimate" it...
Yes, sorry about that.

As I finished writing my previous post I realized that I had not taken the encodes 'overhead' into consideration!

Maybe we could do with a tool to measure this as well ;)

Cheers

Kyle_Katarn 4th February 2004 23:27

I try to estimate it the best as i can... exact estimation require the entire file to be parsed... long and CPU consumming ;-)

SeeMoreDigital 4th February 2004 23:51

Yep it must be difficult,

By running a 'video only' file that I encoded at 627kbps, through various 'info' tools, the following results came up: -

AVIcheck = 652kbps
Gspot = 654kbps
MediaInfo = 657kbps
Video ToolBox = 657kbps

May I ask. Will it be your intension to add the capability to analyse 'audio only' streams, such as Mp3, AAC, AC3, DTS, WAV (in mono, 2Ch, 6Ch)?

Cheers

Kyle_Katarn 4th February 2004 23:55

For "audio only" you should you my "K-MP3" (which i should have called AudioToolbox...)

SeeMoreDigital 5th February 2004 00:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Kyle_Katarn
For "audio only" you should you my "K-MP3" (which i should have called AudioToolbox...)
If you can make a tool that can analyse - 'audio only' streams, 'video only' streams, and combined audio+video streams. Why not call it 'Media Stream Analyser' or 'MSA' for short?

Just a thought!

Cheers

Kyle_Katarn 5th February 2004 00:27

I'll think about it, good idea !

cjaar 5th February 2004 06:06

@Kyle_KatarnA

how about supporting ogm ???

thx
cjaar

Kyle_Katarn 5th February 2004 21:08

Planned too.

Kyle_Katarn 8th February 2004 20:53

VideoToolbox has just been updated to v0.8.0.35

Web Site : http://www.katarncorp.com/?vtb

Change log :
Code:

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VTB v0.8.0.35  [08/02/2004]
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+ QuickTime Support
+ Indonesian language file
+ [MPEG] : Added support for "mpe" file extension
@ [CodecDB] : More explicit AAC codec names for Matroska
@ [MPEG] : Format detection
# [MPEG] : Duration detection on small files
# [MKV] : Resolution detection


SeeMoreDigital 8th February 2004 21:27

It works great...




...Having said that I do have some thoughts!

When identifying AAC streams with SBR 'Spectral Band Replacement' it would probably be less confusing to identify them as being "AAC HE (High Efficiency)" instead of using the term "AAC Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replacement"

Great to see Quickime file identification.

Cheers

Kyle_Katarn 8th February 2004 21:57

Ok i'll update the database !

Kyle_Katarn 15th February 2004 23:37

New version !

Code:

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VTB v0.8.1.36  [15/02/2004]
----------------------------
+ Danish language file
+ Dutch language file
@ Install Script
@ Codec database
# [AVI] Codec (FourCC) detection


Kyle_Katarn 24th March 2004 19:06

Quote:

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VTB v0.9.0.37 [24/03/2004]
----------------------------
+ Ability to download codecs (thanks to MovieCodecs.com)
@ Language files

Kyle_Katarn 15th April 2004 11:30

New version : http://www.kcsoftwares.com/?vtb

SeeMoreDigital 15th April 2004 11:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Kyle_Katarn
New version : http://www.kcsoftwares.com/?vtb
Thanks Kyle.

I see that this is v0.9.0.39. In what way is it different fron the previous version?

Cheers


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