pro 1.00 RC 5.1 - The Incredibles NTSC R1 disc 1 certain avs scripts won't open

[deadpac]

I am trying to backup The Incredibles R1 NTSC and I've run into the problem where certain portions of the movie contain contain nothing but a black screen with red markings near the bottom (avisynth error?); at these spots when I watch on one of my set top dvd players an angle indication comes up 1/3 whenver one of the black/red videos come up. I've been using dvd-rb for a long time now and just recently upgraded to dvd-rb pro. I've gotten back into using rb-farm to cut down the time spent encoding; thinking there was a problem in my farm setup that's where I first started to troubleshoot the problem.

I've been using 3 nodes and serving from a cheap nas-like device (nslu2) serving the ISO; with each node having the source mounted using daemon tools for the source, and for the 20 or some odd movies I've done this way, since upgrading to pro, [mainly tv box sets] none of them have ever produced the kind of output I'm getting with The Incredibles R1 NTSC disc 1. At first thinking maybe there was something wrong with one of the nodes setup I decided to just encode it on the one computer that I have pro on; but I still ended up with the same spots in the movie containing video with red marking on the bottom (again avisynth error?); with an angle indication of 1/3 showing on screen. At these very same spots in the avs scripts for these same locations in the video, will not open up in virtualdub and they display this error

Mpeg2Source: couldn't open source file, or obselete d2v file

I have copied over the iso to the computer with pro on it and mounted it from the same drive and I still can't open some of the avs scripts in virtualdub. Moving away from mounted ISOs I tried with a VIDEO_TS folder setup but still the same result. Using MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL for the longest time I decided to go with the recommended DGDECODE.DLL version 1.1.0 and still the same error. I've created a new project and new work folder for every time I'v retried this movie and do a new prepare phase; so I'm not just replacing something and hoping that the same work folder will work.

I've searched and come across a couple of posts regarding this movie and have tried the various suggestions such as running through rebuilder with no compression and vts_min_size and the like. The one suggestion I have not tried as of yet is stripping every angle except angle 1 with IFOEdit but that was for a person looking to do a movie only backup; I just want to do a straight 100% backup with movies/menu/& extras and all angles; has anyone been able to do a full backup without stripping out anything of The Incredibles NTSC R1?

I've tried my store bought disc with no noticeable defects on the under or top side of the disc and have even gone as far as to rent two other same discs from a mom & pop store that was brand new minus some finger prints and a blockbuster disc with some noticeable scratches; all have ripped and mounted without any problems. I've tried all 3 as sources with the same result.

I have backed up Ong Bak, Magnum PI S1D3, and The Dukes of Hazzard S2D1A just to see if maybe there was a faulty node in my farm setup; all 3 discs after The Incredibles came out clean; so it doesn't look like I have anything wrong when it comes to my farm setup.

Any suggestions and help would be greatly appreciated.

[jdobbs]

You can't open the AVS files for the ILVU sections of the movie. That is because these sections are interleaved and DGDECODE will not decode them properly. DVD Rebuilder extracts the ILVU section (removing the interleave) on demand as it does its encoding.

[deadpac]

jdobbs,

Thanks for the reply; didn't know that about the ILVU sections of the movie, but how come they did not come out on the rebuild (they came out as black screens with red markings on bottom of screen).

While I'm not new to dvd-rb or avisynth; I am completely new to the concept of ILVU and how to deal with those type of discs.

Do you have any suggestions on how to back this movie up 100% without stripping away anything?

-thanks

[Trahald]

load us up with some info.. supply the log.. what encoder and version are you using.. are you working from a mounted iso or your hd... anything else you feel might be helpful for us to know.

[deadpac]

Trahald

I'm using CCE 2.50 and of the few encodes I have tried most have been with a mounted ISO, the one time I tried direct from the HDD the source was pre-processed with some titles blanked so that time it wasn't a "clean" source. I've never had to post a report on dvd-rb because most of the time reading through through messageboards had solved all (like 2) problems I've ever had with dvd-rb; remembering back to the beginning of dvd-rb and the "stutter" issues I was like "what stutter". In order to make room for Ong Bak, Dukes of Hazzard, Magnum PI, Biggie & Tupac, I had to clear the 4 project folders that I had run through for The Incredibles.

Setting up another run at this disc but this time with the source on the hdd; the temptation to run farm is just too hard too resist seeing as how this is the only movie to not come out correct. Using farm before and after this movie and I'm still scratchin my head on this one. Doing this run mainly to have something to post. This time with Status Logging On; should have a log file to post in 6 hours.

[jdobbs]

RB Farm probably wasn't written to handle the new ILVU techniques... I'm pretty sure that's the problem -- but we'll see.

[HKT3020_1]

You can use Ifoedit to remove angles 2 & 3 on the disc which should leave you with a stress free DVD for DVD-RB to backup. What I did was backup to the HD using Decrypter, opened the the file for the main movie not the main VTS, clicked VOB extras and clicked on strip streams (reason because I wanted to save as much space for video as possible and have Ifoedit update the ID tags updated for whatever audio isn't present as well as removing the large amount of subtitles present on that DVD as there are really only 3 english audio subtitles worth keeping), enabled Strip VOB IDs and checked on Remove angles leaving only angle #1 present. Once that was done and put into a new folder, I placed the newly created files by Ifoedit into the original folder overwriting the old movie files and opened up the movie VTS, once again not the main and checked Get VTS sectors.

P.S. Don't enable auto-copy menu files to destination.

After that run the edited files with DVD-RB and it should work without a problem. I blanked out all the extras with Vob blanker and the end result with DVD-RB was a DVD of 63.9%. Beautiful picture and a good bitrate and I'm glad to be done with that DVD once and for all. :cool:

[Zyphon]

@jdobbs

Hi Jerry, has the author of RB-Farm given up with his program as it seems a shame it wasn't updated to work with the latest DVD-RB as it used to save me loads of time encoding on two machines it was a great idea. I know it still works on DVD with no ILVU.

[deadpac]

RB Farm probably wasn't written to handle the new ILVU techniques... I'm pretty sure that's the problem -- but we'll see.

:devil:

Got home in time to rebuild the project from last night and that was exactly it. Farm and ILVU do not go together. Just checked the output from the single computer encode and the first section of video that was missing on the previous projects is present and working; going to do more thorough run through of this version just to double check but it looks like everthing is there.

jdobbs,

Seems like an obvious answer but When you says RB Farm do you mean both versions?; I know first hand the one by quantum doesn't work but how about the one by EpicOfTimeWasted? :D

[jdobbs]

In order to work they would have to locate and extract the ILVU section on demand -- it could be done but I don't think it has been.

[theclaus]

You can use Ifoedit to remove angles 2 & 3 on the disc which should leave you with a stress free DVD for DVD-RB to backup. What I did was backup to the HD using Decrypter, opened the the file for the main movie not the main VTS, clicked VOB extras and clicked on strip streams (reason because I wanted to save as much space for video as possible and have Ifoedit update the ID tags updated for whatever audio isn't present as well as removing the large amount of subtitles present on that DVD as there are really only 3 english audio subtitles worth keeping), enabled Strip VOB IDs and checked on Remove angles leaving only angle #1 present. Once that was done and put into a new folder, I placed the newly created files by Ifoedit into the original folder overwriting the old movie files and opened up the movie VTS, once again not the main and checked Get VTS sectors.

P.S. Don't enable auto-copy menu files to destination.

After that run the edited files with DVD-RB and it should work without a problem. I blanked out all the extras with Vob blanker and the end result with DVD-RB was a DVD of 63.9%. Beautiful picture and a good bitrate and I'm glad to be done with that DVD once and for all. :cool:

Okay I am trying to do this with The Incredibles and I get stuck. I never used IFOEdit before but followed your instructions and when I still try to open it up in VOBBlanker I get the multiple angle error.

Any ideas?

[jdobbs]

Why don't you just reencode the DVD without using RBFarm (and keep the angles)? It seems like it would be a lot easier.

[theclaus]

jdobbs,

I am not using RBFarm that was someone else. I would reencode but would like to get the maximum bitrate. I usually rip out all the extras and things like that with VOBBlanker and then encode with DVD-RB. That way DVD-RB isn't encoding stuff I do not want.

[jptheripper]

just rip it out with the segment editor in dvd-rb

[theclaus]

Which is a feature of DVD-RB Pro I take it?

[HKT3020_1]

Okay I am trying to do this with The Incredibles and I get stuck. I never used IFOEdit before but followed your instructions and when I still try to open it up in VOBBlanker I get the multiple angle error.

Any ideas?

What error message do you receive and with IfoEdit it shouldn't be a problem, I mean if I did so can anyone else. The common mistake is that users forget to overwrite the original files with the newly created files by IfoEdit. Also a snapshot of that error message or better description would be handy.

[Taelon]

when I still try to open it up in VOBBlanker I get the multiple angle error.FYI, the VobBlanker message isn't an Error, it's a Warning that ILVUs are present, that's all. It will also change the PGCs from Process to Skip if you select the VTS with ILVUs, because it doesn't support them.

[HKT3020_1]

After stripping with IfoEdit and if you find Vob Blanker still reports that there are ILVUs present then open DVD-RB and select the folder with the newly stripped backup of The Incredibles. If DVD-RB doesn't find them then it's not there. You should still be able to select all & process with Vob blanker, remove any unwanted extras, audio streams and such with it as well. Vob Blanker does a good job updating the id tags so unusable streams shouldn't be present once it's done with it. ;)

[theclaus]

opened the the file for the main movie not the main VTS

When you say Main Movie you are talking about the Main Movie VTS right? In my case it would be VTS01 which is pictured below.

http://www.clausingclan.com/images/videots.gif

Is that part correct?

[HKT3020_1]

I removed the backups of The Incredibles off my HD and well I decided that snapshot will clear it all up for you. Open IfoEdit, then click on open and in most or all occassions the main movie's VTS' ifo file will be the largest of the bunch.

http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/2839/untitled2ax.th.png (http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2ax.png)

Hope that helps you out. :cool:

[theclaus]

Okay I feel completely moronic right now. Here I was trying to figure out how to remove the angles when I'll I needed to do was load up VOB Blanker and remove the crap I didn't want and then copy over the VTS01 files. By doing that I was still able to get a great quality of 71.1% and didn't have to mess with the VTS01 at all.