Remove FBI warnings?

[hummus19]

Before, when i used Vobblanker then DVDshrink, this was easy. How do i do this with RB? i know you can remove extras, but when i selected movie and menu only (blank extras) it still left these. And, btw, if dvd decrypter is set to remove Puop's ( i think thats what they are called, prohibited user options) why cant i skip past these (function is not available for this dvd) when im watching a backed-up copy ripped with dvd decrypter?

[johnhamler1]

u ca not remove file with RB.
you have to use DVD shrink or any software to remove the FBI crap, warning,...

I use DVD shrink to be sure all files are connected togetehr after blanking.
then I use DVD rebuilder with HC.

I think decrypter is not removing puop but you can use your remote controll to pass the FBI warning.

sorry I can not help u more, I use several sofwares before to encode my movies with DVD rebuilder.

[hummus19]

Well, if you have a gig of extras and even put a picture there with dvd shrink, it still takes up considerable amount of space. (im thinking like 80-100 megs or so depending on the origional size) and doesnt that just show that one picture for however long the length of the removed title had been? thats why i had always blanked them with vobblanker.

and i cant skip the FBI warnings with the remote. i get the (function not available or the ghostbuster "no" sign depending on which dvd im playing the disk in) that is unless i use vobblanker in which case it never even shows up. its just a pet peev of mine, i hate all those warnings and "paramount" "fox" and "lions gate" little clips. i want to get rid of them altogether.

[jptheripper]

you need a menu editor to do that

as for skipping, when you rip the disk check "remove puops" and it will let you skip anything you want

[hummus19]

And, btw, if dvd decrypter is set to remove Puop's ( i think thats what they are called, prohibited user options) why cant i skip past these (function is not available for this dvd) when im watching a backed-up copy ripped with dvd decrypter?


that isnt working for me.

and you say to get a menu program to do remove these warnings? like what? and isnt there supposted to be no editing done before rb is used because these can/will cause errors?

[jptheripper]

make sure you have the check marks click in decrypter in the mode you are using, if you rip in iso mode there is a seperate place to check under the iso tab.

dvd remake or shrink can do what you want, and do it after. Figure out the size you will save, run rebuilder (Oversizing the disk with rb-opt ) , then remove menus

never said it was easy, but it can be done

[Malphas]

To enable the skipping of FBI warning and such with the remote you just have to disable PUOPs which can be done in DVD Decrypter (you have to enable this option in the settings though as the default is to leave them as they are) personally I don't disable PUOPs as there are times when they are there for good reason.

To remove the warnings completely I use DVDReMake Pro, I think you can do something similar using tools like Vobblanker and IfoEdit but I've never used either.

[Jack'n'xbox]

just use the moive only option under mode. then all the crap is gone leaving the moive there at the lowest posible comprestion.

[Trahald]

besides that tho.. in order to chapter foward the pgc with the fbi logo (or any pgc for that matter), there must be a dummy chapter at the end of it to foward to. 95% of the time that 2nd chapter is authored in for that purpose. but if they dont author it in you cant skip the chapter.

the easiest thing is after you author with rb... just use pgcedits kill playback command for each logo you dont want to see. it makes it so you never see the logo (its still there but is skipped)

[hummus19]

well, the whole idea is to make the most possible room for the movie/menus

i just wish the program would let you choose exactly what you want to kill before encoding. that way i dont have to mess with multiple programs/spend more time/introduce more places for errors to occur.

[Trahald]

the fbi warnings and logos take up very little space and removing them will not make a visual impact on your movie. they are generally in the menu space so they are reserved. the kill pgc command can be applied after rb so it wont interfere with rb.

[hummus19]

"paramount" "fox" and "lions gate" little clips. i want to get rid of them altogether.

[jptheripper]

if you never see them, does it matter if they are there?

[hummus19]

well, it just seems counter productive to spend a day and a half using 9 pass encoding to get every ounce out of the quality, then leave 50 megs worth of hidden video sitting around

[writersblock29]

@hummus19

I hate those intro clips, too. And I don't like being reminded that some of the money I paid for a DVD went toward purchasing a threatening message from the FBI, which thinks it should be able to tell me what I can do with what I purchased with my own money. Nor do I like movie previews that either spring up when I insert the disk... or they pop up when I select "play" on a menu.

That's where blanking tools come in handy. Since I already had a copy of DVD Remake when I decided to donate to Jdobbs, I tend to use it to remove all of these things before processing with Rebuilder.

I understand your frustration with having to have a hard drive full of tools to process DVDs the way you like them... It's sooo nice only opening one program -- and by the time you close it again, you're all done with the entire disk.

But consider that Rebuilder's still in the beta stage. Our donations are really just there to reward Jdobbs for the work he's done (thousands of hours of his free time... can you imagine?) for our community. Our projects done with Rebuilder are really just testing, so that Jdobbs knows what he's done to the program (so far) work the way he'd intended them to.

The reason why you can't blank FBI warnings and studio introductions within Rebuilder is that Rebuilder currently doesn't process menus -- and these annoying little tidbits usually reside within the menu VOBs. There are plans, however, for future versions to incorporate menu processing (some of those menus are HUGE, after all). When that becomes availible, you'll get to test it out since you donated; by donation, you're now a beta tester. The cool thing is that you'll have the final version (which is proven by our countless projects as being rock-solid) without having to shell out more money for it (unless you choose to donate more voluntarilly). Better deal than you'll ever see from Microsoft! While Jdobbs has yet to say that blanking will be availible within menus, I doubt it'd be that tough to incorporate since the processing would be similiar to what Rebuilder already does to the title sets.

Therefore -- since I'd find it handy, as well -- I'll join you in requesting this as a feature. In the end, though, Jdobbs has the final say -- but at least he hears us. And if he decides it's not practical to do (or will allow Rebuilder to hack up a disk to the point of being unusable, as a lot of disk processors are known to do), he'll fill us in.

The beauty of being a beta tester is that -- while you're helping the developer out -- you can help make the software do all the things you'd like it to do within practicality (or possibility). Jdobbs walks away knowing that he has way more satisfied customers than he does critics. The best way to do this so far is to introduce a feature... work it to death and get the bugs out of it... then introduce another, and repeat the process. So I guess what I'm saying is bear with us.

[writersblock29]

@hummus19

...Almost forgot! According to the makers of CCE, anything over 3 passes is pretty much overkill and won't contribute to the quality in a noticable way. I rarely ever employ more than 2 passes, unless I've either got a long movie or tons of material to process.

[hummus19]

so "dvd remake" will not butcher the dvd so that RB will br able to use the files that remake spits out?

[pg55555]

@hummus19

Actually RB works 99% of the times with sources pre-processed with Vobblanker / Remake / Shrink. So you can use these tools before RB, most of the times.

Just if you experience a problem with a pre-processed source, try it again with an un-preprocessed one before posting in this forum. If the problem persists, post yur problem with the non-preprocessed source and the community (and jdobbs) will try their best to help, knowing that it is not a problem generated by the pre-processing

[writersblock29]

@hummus19

[Qouted] "so "dvd remake" will not butcher the dvd so that RB will br able to use the files that remake spits out?"

I've absolutely never had an issue in this department -- but I can see how Remake *could* cause problems. Remake will allow you to change pretty much any command on a disk; button commands (or button removal) on menus, pre- and post- commands for each cell (commands that tell a player how to play a cell, and what to do afterwards), still menu conversions (turning an animated menu into a still-frame menu)... there's a lot of power here -- but it's power that can turn against you. It's fairly easy to tinker with settings one's unfamiliar with and produce an unusable source disk. So I guess what I'm saying is that Remake won't cause problems... but the USER can. That's why Jdobbs sneers at bug reports from pre-processed sources: Many of Rebuilder's reported "bugs" were simply faulty results from preprocessing.

VOB blanker usually seems to have a pretty good track record... I wonder, is the version you're using a beta? Or the latest official release, which may have fixed whatever's causing issues? (I've never used VOB Blanker, so I'm embarassingly unqualified to really comment or help much here.)

My own process for DVD backups is as follows:
1) Rip with DVDFab Decrypter (http://www.dvdidle.com/free.htm) and test-play resulting files in Nero Showtime or Windows Media Player. Check for unwanted movie previews that appear before menu.
2) Analize using Nero Recode or DVD Shrink, checking for
A) Overall amount of stuff and total running time of all material. If under 3 hours, proceed to step 3. If over 3 hours, proceed to B.
B) Knock down menus to 70% to shrink their size. Also, remove any unwanted features using "video has been removed" still frame.
C) Put all desired features at either 100% or "no compression" settings, depending on whether I'm using Shrink or Recode.
3) Fire up DVD Remake, import Shrink-or-Recode project, and remove FBI warnings, studio intros, and the like. I'll also find any "video has been removed" cells and convert them to still frames, saving hella amounts of space at times (apparently, Shrink inserts many of these frames... I've often shaved 20MB or so with this approach, per removed title). This way, all menu buttons are active -- but to access removed material, you'll know why and not confuse it as a playback problem when you finally watch the backup months down the line. Process into hard drive folder when finished.
4) Import Remake's file into Rebuilder and process.
5) Burn resulting DVD Files with Nero6 or Copy2DVD.

That's my usual approach, and the results suit my individual tastes. Never have I had Rebuilder hickup on the files I feed it, nor has my set top player with the burned results.

So, if Jdobbs were able to enable menu processing, the only thing I'd need other programs for would be the "video has been removed" still... but I'll be honest with you: So many disks fit fine with all features enabled, there are several occasions where I just deal with FBI warnings, and blank movie previews within Rebuilder, using just steps 1, 4, and 5 to finish a project.

[Malphas]

Regarding issues with Rebuilder and preprocessing with DVDReMake:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=608793#post608793

[jptheripper]

its better to get the size of the chunks you will be removing, process with rebuilder, oversizing, then use remake as the last step. At least if you want support in this forum.

as i said before

[writersblock29]

@jptheripper

:confused: I'm not having trouble with Remake... which I beleive I've said. My "steps" were meant to offer hummus19 a view of approach from someone who's NOT having problems creating backups. I also recall mentioning that Jdobbs offers no support on pre-processed sources because he winds up debugging other people's software -- or words to that effect.

If your post wasn't directed at me, then I appologize for my confusion.

[SamuriHL]

Sorry I'm late on this thread. LOL. Anyway, another possibility for you is to purchase a copy of AnyDVD. This is a very nice driver type software that allows you to decrypt dvd's on the fly. It also removes all the PUOPs and other annoyances. One of the kuel features is the ability to remove warnings and ads automagically. This happens on the fly, so, when you copy the movie to your hard drive or use RB on it directly, those things are gone. It doesn't seem to work with ALL movies, but, they offer a 21 day trial so you might want to give it a try. Personally the 3 pieces of software I use for DVD backups are AnyDVD, CloneDVD for short movies, and RB for the longer re-encode type stuff. It works out really well for me. I hope this helps.

[jptheripper]

yeah sorry i was not directed at you writers. i love remake, and use it all the time before rebuilder. I also dont have problems on rebuilds, and have been doing backups for a long time. For a new user , the less steps (i.e. none) before rebuilder., the better

also it seems like jdobbs has done alot of error checking on files messed up by preprocessing. the more time i can save him, the better

[FlashBlade]

If it may interest anyone, here how I usually do to backup my dvds.
First I use PGCEdit to kill the PGC playback of all FBI warnings, studio logos or previews.
Then, I blank those with VobBlanker along with makings of and other uninteresting featurettes if any, that can save me from a 100Mb to several Gb.
I process the final source with DVD Rebuilder.
Finally, I use MenuEdit to remove unused buttons.
If the menus are really huge, I shrink them before using Rebuilder.
I did a bunch this way, never had a problem.

[winny]

Vobblanker is a superb tool for blanking unwanted clips. I've just looked at a disk of Six Feet Under and you can even remove repeated intros at the start of each episode. Saved an extra 150meg, very nice.

I tend to use the same method as Flashblade above. Only difference is I look at the menus and remove the unwanted buttons in PGCEdit (step 1) rather than at the end.

[SpazzHH]

@hummus19

Actually RB works 99% of the times with sources pre-processed with Vobblanker / Remake / Shrink. So you can use these tools before RB, most of the times.

Just if you experience a problem with a pre-processed source, try it again with an un-preprocessed one before posting in this forum. If the problem persists, post your problem with the non-preprocessed source and the community (and jdobbs) will try their best to help, knowing that it is not a problem generated by the pre-processing
:goodpost:
I would continue to do exactly what you're doing. Only if you run into a problem, then try it on an unpreprocessed source before posting here in the forum. On those rare occasions, you can blank most everything with RB on the original source. Those things within the menu domain(warning screens), you can always hit with vobblanker after RB, as those alone usually take up less space than one subtitle stream.

[NightSta]

well, it just seems counter productive to spend a day and a half using 9 pass encoding to get every ounce out of the quality, then leave 50 megs worth of hidden video sitting around
In my experience, most aren't 50mb. Fox, for example, I think is 13mb-15mb. A lot of non-motion logos --- read: stills (whether warnings, studio logos, etc) tend to be less than a megabyte (usually .25mb)

[NightSta]

so "dvd remake" will not butcher the dvd so that RB will br able to use the files that remake spits out?
DJobbs does not recommend pre-processing the source material. That being said, I've found certain tools do generate DVD-compliant files (DVD ReMake Pro) --- at least in my experience, and that DVD Rebuild Pro will happily accept/process/encode. DVD Shrink by comparison, is far greater capable of generating files that DVD RB will balk at.

[NightSta]

@hummus19
I've absolutely never had an issue in this department -- but I can see how Remake *could* cause problems. Remake will allow you to change pretty much any command on a disk; button commands (or button removal) on menus, pre- and post- commands for each cell
Right. A bug can certainly have this effect; I recall an older release of DVD ReMake Pro caused me all sorts of problems. If I did a "hide buttons" thing and then saved the resultant data to disc, it corrupted the menu. A very quick release later, and it was fixed (as was mentioned in the revision notes for it). And the moral of the story: that's not a user-error; now think what writersblock29 means in this context :goodpost:

[blutach]

Use PgcEdit to kill playback and to remove PUOs after rippings.

Use PgcEdit/VobBlanker to blank trailers and all extras (or use DVDRB in menu and movie only mode). I use PgcEdit if trailers are in their own VTS and VobBlanker for PGC or cell based blanking.

DVDRMP also does the job neatly.

Also remember MenuShrink, which shrinks animated menus to tiny stills, saving Gb in the process (the current record is +2Gb) ad aslo takes out the 10 minutes of padding crap which is more and more being seen in VIDEO_TS.VOB files.

See our IFO VOB editors forum.

This "preprocessing" will be accepted by DVDRB, provided it results in compliant DVDs (it does).

Regards