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JFerguson
13th August 2005, 03:28
Maybe this is old news, maybe not.

As a general rule, I'll load a DVD into DVD Shrink v3.2 to survey its contents and determine my backup strategy.

I've been seeing unreferenced material lately that doesn't get reported by DVD Shrink, not even after a full Analysis. I see it mostly in Menus (e.g., Touching The Void, Hostage), but I caught one in a non-Menu today, for Undertow, R1.

In V01, there's one title for the trailer, it's PGC comprised of VobIDs 1,2. There's a third VobID (3) in VTS_01_1.VOB which isn't referenced or acknowledged anywhere in the .IFO. It looks like some rough footage for the trailer, times 2.

There's more material of this type in other titlesets (V05, V08), but not as significant as what I find in V01 (146MB worth).


Does anyone know if there's a utility or function that would highlight this kind of anomaly in a DVD? I missed it on a run through DVD-RB and would rather recapture space like this than give it up to unreferenced garbage. I'm guessing the utility would have to fully scan the DVD to detect it.

Thanks...


Some pointers:
1) DVD Shrink will strip this kind of material, just run a DVD of this kind through at "No Compression", your target VOBs will be written without it.

2) Unreferenced Material of this type in Menus is easy to detect. Load a DVD into DVD Shrink and compare the reported size for the Menus to the sum of the file sizes for VIDEO_TS.VOB, VTS_*_0.VOB.

3) IfoEdit can strip this type of material as well, you just won't see these "Ghost VobIDs" enumerated when using the "VOB Extras, Strip VobID's" function.

arsmori
13th August 2005, 04:20
Not sure we're talking about the same thing, but I often see garbage located in unreferenced VMGM pgc's. Large chunks of video from what appear to be other DVD projects (a video clip of that white rapper dude once in a Buena Vista release :)), but most often it's an unreferenced copy of a pgc already on an other vts. If you load the DVD in VobBlanker you'll see immediately VIDEO_TS.VOB size drastically deflate under "Menu Final". Since I always pre-process before DVD-RB (yes, I know...) this isn't an issue for me. You might want to drop a note to jdobbs about this, cause I fail to see why DVD-RB should re-encode unreferenced material, pure waste of space IYAM. You can't blank menu items with RB either, so you have to pre-process to blank this stuff. That garbage is always in VIDEO_TS.VOB in my experience, but VobBlanker will take care of all unreferenced menu pgc's automatically. If it's referenced, but not linked, you can kill playback with PgcEdit and then process the menu with VobBlanker.

JFerguson
18th August 2005, 03:07
Ok, I had a feeling something funky was going on here -- more on that later...

Yeah, I have seen a lot of the menu garbage that you refer to. The problem is, that it hasn't been as evident at present as it was in the past (using DVD Shrink). I haven't played to much with VOBBlanker, so I'll have to take a look at that.

Normally, I don't preprocess my DVD-RB stuff; I post-process it (primarily to reduce menus) -- I have a workflow that I follow that seems to get me pretty close to my target.

Anyways, this new kind of Unreferenced Material is a byproduct of recent changes in DVD Decrypter. Here's my new thread on this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=700306