RC4 ILVU Results

[a63548]

I just wanted to post to say, that I re encoded Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition with RC4. T2 has many ILVU scenes for the various special editions. With RC4 there are now no more scenes that stutter/skip. It worked perfectly. I also wanted to thank jdobbs for making the best dvd backup program available, that I will continue to always use.

[feedback]

that I will continue to always use.
And I'm sure we all agree with that quote.

Regards,:)

[Lrd_Hawk]

RC4 is working perfect for me.
Wonderful job Jdobbs thank you for your time and efforts

[jdobbs]

Thanks. Your kind words are very much appreciated.

[Sophoclesdrf]

RB has always worked perfect for me except for the odd DVD that caused trouble with just about everything. Those type of problems are often cured by choosing movie mode only.


a63548

I'm happy to hear that you've successfully backed up T2 ultra edition? I've been inundated with questions by users who've had difficulties with that particular movie but using the Extreme Edition DVD. The problem occurs while playing the Extended cut, not the theatrical released cut and for some reason chapter 7 comes up a lot. My understanding is that there isn't much difference between the structure of T2 Ultra and T2 Extreme Edition. I was wondering if you could do me a small favor and play Chapter 7 of the extended cut?

Did you play the extended cut all the way through? If so then I'll start recommending the Ultra version over the Extreme Edition. Thanks in advance.

[a63548]

a63548

I'm happy to hear that you've successfully backed up T2 ultra edition? I've been inundated with questions by users who've had difficulties with that particular movie but using the Extreme Edition DVD. The problem occurs while playing the Extended cut, not the theatrical released cut and for some reason chapter 7 comes up a lot. My understanding is that there isn't much difference between the structure of T2 Ultra and T2 Extreme Edition. I was wondering if you could do me a small favor and play Chapter 7 of the extended cut?

Did you play the extended cut all the way through? If so then I'll start recommending the Ultra version over the Extreme Edition. Thanks in advance.Well, I would test out chapter seven now, but I deleted the final rebuild because I only had CCE do two passes to see if the ILVU scenes worked. I will redo an encode tonight, and I will get back to you. One of the reasons I never bought the Extreme Edition was that I thought it had to be played it Windows Media Player 9 or 10 because it was digitally mastered from a brand-new 1080p source. Here is another site that talks about it: http://msmvps.com/chrisl/archive/2004/09/08/13232.aspx I am almost positive that all of the ILVU scenes worked fine on my last T2-UE encode, but I will make sure. I did test all three versions the last time I did it. I did not however watch the whole movie, but just checked the ILVU scenes.

[Sophoclesdrf]

A lot to consider! Thank you for your efforts, I know that I can trust your outcome. Good luck,and if you can keep us posted.

[a63548]

Well, I checked Chapter 7 on all three versions of it (theatrical, special, extended special) and it seems to play fine. I did this encode at 7 passes with CCE. I will burn it and test it out more on my standalone dvd player. What would happen on chapter 7 for some of the other users? I am also going to rent the Extreme Edition off Netflix to try it out because I just read off a review "Yet even more impressive is the HD Windows Media 9 version of the Theatrical Cut that's included on Disc Two" That makes me happy. For the longest time I thought that a person had to play it on their computer, and that a dvd version wasn't actually available. To sum all of this up, the UE seems to play fine on all of the scenes, inlcuding the ILVU scenes. I will encode the Extreme Edition and post about it.

[Sophoclesdrf]

What would happen on chapter 7 for some of the other users?

It wouldn't play, it would freeze. I'm looking forward to your input, I want it to work out. LOL

[brashquido]

Great to hear your having some success a63548 :) . I unfortunately am still having the same issues with DVD-RB Pro RC4 with at least one of my three ILVU titles that I've been having since DVD-RB 0.72 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=89273&highlight=K%3A19).

The problem movie I've got is "K:19 Windowmaker" which is a R4 PAL version. I'm still to test it in my set top DVD player (Pioneer 355), but it is showing the exact same audio and video stuttering, in the exact same position as all the other times. I've yet to try my other two ILVU titles though.

[Sophoclesdrf]

brashquido

I had reports of problems with that film (NTSC) almost a year ago, but when I did it I had none. The video stuttering sounds like an interleave/multi angle problem. I seem to recall reporting a similar behavior with the movie "Closer."

I'm curious, does the problem occur throughout the movie or just when a musical sound track is playing? Are there any video effects such as slow motion when it happens?

[brashquido]

Hi Sophoclesdrf,

I think it is pretty safe to say this issue is at least related to ILVE as the stuttering issue occurs in the only ILVU VTS on the disk (VTS 4), however the only segment that I have discovered this stuttering in so far is does not seem to be ILVU. I'll have to take another look at the DVD-RB log tonight, as I know Jdobbs has done a lot of work on ILVU since my last attempt at this movie.

[Sophoclesdrf]

Agreed, but what I'm curious about is that I had no problem with the NTSC version. I backup usually the movie only so perhaps I've missed something. I'll give it another go and see what happens. I agree that it seems to be an ILVE problem. Did you notice any audio video synchronization problems?

[jdobbs]

Try it with V1.00 RC4.1 -- I'm pretty sure the ILVU code is solid now, it works with every ILVU source I've tried, including the really hard ones.

[Sophoclesdrf]

jdobbs

You do have a sense of timing, I just got it. Thanks!

[brashquido]

Yeah, just saw 4.1 in my inbox :). Will give it a run tonight...

[a63548]

Yeah, just saw 4.1 in my inbox :). Will give it a run tonight...
I hope K:19 Windowmaker works for you. :)

[brashquido]

Same here :)

[wmansir]

I finally got around to running a test with RC4 and unfortunately it still isn't playing back correctly in my standalone player. However, it did play back correctly in IfoEdit, which is a first. I don't specifically recall testing this disc in IfoEdit before, so I'm going to run the Abyss thru RC4.1 next.

[brashquido]

Just tried doing "K:19 Widowmaker" again with RC4.1, but am getting the same problem. I still have all the log files if required.

What's weirder is that when playing the backup I did last night on my set top player there now seems to be also video corruptions (square coloured blocks) in and around some of the ILVU sections. These where not there in previous attempts. Am hoping it is something like just a dodgy DVD-RW, but it is the same on I've used to test my backups all along.

[Trahald]

those RW only have so many burns in them ;). if you had a second one (RW), that would be a good way to elliminate the doubt about the media.

[brashquido]

Burned the backup of K:19 I did tonight with RC4.1, and the video corruptions are goine, but the audio & video stutter remain. I also tried making a backup of my only other two ILVU titles and am getting errors with them both in the prepare phase of the VTS containing ILVU. With "Identity" I got a "Run-time error '6': Overflow" error message, and with "The Cell" I got a "Run-time error '52': Bad filename or number" error. All three are R4 PAL movies, and all were dipped to ISO with DVD Decrypter and mounted for DVD-RB Pro with Daemon Tools.

[jdobbs]

What's missing in this story? Something is amiss on your system or setup...

[wmansir]

those RW only have so many burns in them ;). if you had a second one (RW), that would be a good way to elliminate the doubt about the media.

I wanted to eliminate the RW media from the equation after my last test so I stripped the original source down to just the IlVu sections and burned it onto the same RW I had just used and it played fine.

[jdobbs]

@wmansir

Is your problem with K19 also? If so, I assume it is NTSC, R1?

[ron spencer]

how about the main movie only through DVD Shrink only at 100% quality and then dvd-rb

[wmansir]

@wmansir

Is your problem with K19 also? If so, I assume it is NTSC, R1?

No, I just thought I would report my IlVu RC4 results here.

The disc I used last was Rocky Horror Picture Show, but the problem is the same standalone playback issue I've had with all IlVu material I have tried since RC1.

[jdobbs]

Can you describe it?

[brashquido]

What's missing in this story? Something is amiss on your system or setup...

I was starting to think the same thing, but what is confusing is why this same system is able to churn out non ILVU titles without an issue. Is there anything particular to ILVU processing in the DVD-RB environment? I actually did an uninstall and fresh install of DVD-RB Pro RC4, and just upgraded to RC4.1.

[Sophoclesdrf]

brashquido

What version of avisynth are you using (if this has already been asked then ignore it) because you're describing what sounds like an avisynth problem. If that's not it then there has to be a setup problem somewhere. It might be a good idea to delete your INI file and do setup again from scratch.

[brashquido]

I'm pretty sure it is not an IFO issue, as if you play the relevant VOB file directly I get the same thing. To my logic that would suggest it is a problem with the physical VOB structure rather than anything to do with the IFO. That is why I did a clean install of DVD-RB Pro for RC4. I don't even know what to look for, so don't know how much use I'll be in trying to solve it. I am starting to think a clean install of Windows and everything might be the order of the day though as I've just run out of ideas.

[Sophoclesdrf]

Sometimes a clean install of Windows does the trick. I can't tell you how many times I've encountered people updating avisynth to a newer version that RB isn't yet compatible with. Another is choosing the wrong CCE file path setting such as setting 2.67 to the 2.50 setting or the reverse. Another is not selecting the right options under CCE options, and the list goes on. LOL

Good luck!

[jdobbs]

Burned the backup of K:19 I did tonight with RC4.1, and the video corruptions are goine, but the audio & video stutter remain. I also tried making a backup of my only other two ILVU titles and am getting errors with them both in the prepare phase of the VTS containing ILVU. With "Identity" I got a "Run-time error '6': Overflow" error message, and with "The Cell" I got a "Run-time error '52': Bad filename or number" error. All three are R4 PAL movies, and all were dipped to ISO with DVD Decrypter and mounted for DVD-RB Pro with Daemon Tools. When you say "stutter" -- what exactly do you mean? Where does it happen and what does it look like?

The "Run-time error 52" has also been reported on Simpsons S4 D2... so it's not imagination.... sigh... I'll find it, but it would be a lot easier if these things would happen on R1 discs! Then I could simply repeat it (I just ran Simpsons S4 D2, R1) -- works like a charm (of course).

[brashquido]

By stutter I mean the video looks like a slideshow, as in it plays a frame or two and then freezes for a second, then another few frames and a freeze, and so on. The audio cuts in and out in sync with this (can hear audio while playing, but when the video freezes I get nothing). This stutter effect does seem less servere on my set top player compared to PowerDVD on my PC, but it is still unwatchable. Does seem that PAL DVD's are having more issues that NTSC with ILVU, I might be just imagining this though. Just seems odd that so many people are reporting successful ILVU backups, and I haven't had any luck with any of the three I own :roll:. Sorry to be a thorn in the side on your progress with this, I've sent you a PM with some details tha might help us speed up the process.

[wmansir]

What is happening with my player is it will play both angles, regardless of which is selected. The video and audio switch back and forth between the different versions every 0.5-1 seconds. The transition is a broken up macro-block look where the picture is composed of random whole macroblocks from each version for a few frames.

[jdobbs]

Are you making a straight backup? Decrypter->Rebuilder->Burn? The fact that it isn't recognizing the ILVU units is troubling. What kind of player are you using?

[wmansir]

All except my last disc was a 100% strait backups. The last one I used NuMenu on because it contained about 1.5 gigs of regular video in a _0.vob for some reason. However, previously I tried it strait with RC2 (along with other DVDs) and have had the exact same results. After I realized I had used the NuMenu output I also took the post-NuMenu DVD, stripped some content to fit a DVD-RW and tested in my player and it worked. When I can, I plan on doing the Abyss again with RC4.1, which will be a strait rip.

My player is an APEX 500W. Cheap but fairly robust in terms of what it will play. It has displayed this behavior since RC1, and possibly before. I think it worked, but I don't specfically recall testing Ilvu material on it in previous versions because most of the IlVu material I have needed to be compressed to even fit on a DVD-R.

[a63548]

@Sophoclesdrf

I'm following up on the issues with Terminator 2 Extreme Edition. I encoded it with DVD-RB Pro RC4.1 with CCE using 7 passes, and it plays fine on every scene I have skipped to. Also, Chapter 7 plays fine all the way through. The only downside I can see is the final rebuild has a very low bitrate, which was expected by keeping a very large menu, James Cameron's commentary, and a few other deleted scenes. The Ultimate Editon also had a low bitrate, but it was a little higher than the EE because it did not contain the extra audio commentary. I did use Voblanker before I encoded this DVD only to remove a few logos/warnings. For which DVD version I would choose, I like the Ultimate Edition because of it having all 3 versions seamlessly branched together, while the Extreme Edition has a theatrical and special edition, with the two deleted scenes selectable in an interactive mode. On the Extreme Editon I can see a difference in video quality which is nice, and I also enjoy having the commentary available from James Cameron. I would say if the Extreme Editon still doesn't work for some of your users, the Ultimate Editon would be a fine alternative.

[Sophoclesdrf]

a63548

Thanks for your reply! Another member on another forum had a completely different experience. It's interesting having two very different experiences that have rendered equally valid results, one positive and one negative. What's annoying is trying to discover what caused the differences between them. LOL