BOV and HLI error

[leeza]

I'm trying to back up "The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers" R3.
I demuxed, re-encoded and imported script with Scenarist.
Although VTS2 has BOV, Scenaid did not write script for any BOV (BOV option is ON in Scenaid).
Therefore, I'm trying to create buttons manually.
VTS2 has 8 audio streams and 16 subs(W & L) and has 9 buttons.
There are 134 .bmp(no-stop) files for each substreams and they are aligned very closely with each other(0 frame gap between the subs).
I have created buttons for one .bmp (that's one highlight) and copied the highlight 133 time (for every .bmp files) for the highlight stream.
Now there are 134 highlights aligned closely.
I tried compiling but Scenarist gives HLI error at 00:00:03:28 and would not complie.
I tried changing the duration of highlight but it's no use.
What should I do?

[leeza]

The exact error message is

Error Interval between HLI at 00:00:03;28 and previous one is too short against HLI buffer

[Zeul]

This is usually caused by the previous highlight from the previous scene being too close to the new highlight. You're very first highlight of the current scene - try setting a gap from the start of the scene to the first highlight/subs of 14frames.

But more importantly why was no bov scripted. Have you got the vsrip/vsconv from the scenaid install folder in your dif install folder also? This is a MUST. In the working dir/vts2 folder you should see a file called ....bov. This should have a size greater than 0. If this doesn't exist then the wrong vsrip/vsconv has been used in dif. Scenaid uses this bov file to create the bov information

[leeza]

Thanks for your reply Zeul.

the first sub is placed at 00:00:00:27 and its duration is 01:01. The second sub starts at 00:00:01:28 and its duration is 01:00. Rest of the subs are all 1 second long and has no gaps therebetween.

Although all the subs and highlights are almost equally spaced apart(no gaps!!), Scenarist gives error for the highlight at 03:28 (I'm not sure for the rest of the subs because Scenarist terminates with an error message).

Does this error comes from the subs being placed to close from one another?
Since the subs are placed without any gaps, the highlights are also aligned to the subs without any gaps. Maybe I should try changing the durations of the subs so that they have gaps therebetween.

Regarding the script generated by Scenaid, I have checked the folder and found VOBSUBOUTPUT.bdx and VOBSUBOUTPUT.bov (not zero bytes in size) needed for script generation for buttons.
Scenaid just wouldn't generate any buttons. Maybe it's because the DVD was demuxed by vobid (should I try a PGC demux for this vts? VTS2 has only one vobid).
BTW, I use Scenaid 1.7.0.2

[influenza]

Yes they are too close to each other. As zeul said try to have a 14 frame gap. But I find it very strange that there are multiple subs anyway. So assuming there's only one button I would try to use one sub and stretch this for the entire duration , that way you wouldn't have problems compiling.

[leeza]

Thanks for your reply, influenza.
The reason VTS has more than one sub is to change the audio tracks on-the-fly.
If there is only one sub until the end of PGC, you can't change audio tracks while the PGC is played. If there are more than one sub and each sub is assigned to a HL, you're able to change audio tracks on-the-fly. This is just my guess.

Anyway, before I try to insert gaps between subs, I tried placing one highlight at a time and compiling.
The 1st HL is placed at 00:00:00:27 and its duration is 00:00:01:01. It compiles without any problem. I added 2nd HL at 00:00:01:28 and its duration is 00:00:01:00. It again complies fine(They are all aligned to the subs).
I added 3rd HL at 00:00:02:28 (duration is 00:00:01:00). It again complies fine.
I added 4th HL at 00:00:03:28 (duration is 00:00:01:00). Now the Scenarist gives HLI error and terminates.
All the HL has the same buttons.

What I don't understand is that why does Scenarist gives an error for HL at specific time? Maybe it has something to do with subs?(although subs hav the same gaps and layout as HLs).

[leeza]

I tried inserting gaps between subs by changing the duration. However, it wouldn't change.

[influenza]

Well scenarist can be such a pain.....

I don't see the relationship between changing audio and the subs to be honest ?

Last BOV thing I did was with scenaid vip version and muxman , worked perfectly :)

[Trahald]

muxman is alot less picky about that stuff and if it is possible you may want to switch over to it. ( and the resulting dvd plays perfectly) scenarist will complain about things that are in the original dvd (obviously they didnt use scenarist)

[Zeul]

I reckon your issue, is that multiple subs together require a minimum duration. If you have 2 subs together then the total duration of both subs must be > 62 frames (NTSC) or 52 frames (PAL). So make sure that sub 1 + sub 2 => 52, sub 2 + sub 3 => 52 etc etc. A real PITA.

[D3s7]

VOBID Demuxes with current builds of Doitfast4u can cause an issue w/ Scenaid not seeing the files (because they aren't properly there) - ususally though this is from a VOBID demux

what version of DIF you using?