ILVU encoding RC3 results

[FilipeAmadeuO]

I tried my test DVD (Alien 3 - Special Edition R2) with this new version, and is better, much better. Now the movies plays very well and has no skipping/shuttering problem.
There is only one problem:
- The first vob file has 1.20 Gb and when i try to burn on Nero i receive the folowing error message " Required file VTS_01_05.VOB is not present"

That´s because all other files has the correct size (1gb) except the first one, and then there is no VTS_01_05.VOB file.

Please correct these problem so the dvd can be compliant.
Best regards and keep the excelent work

[jdobbs]

Damn... I just noticed something.

I put some new code in that I meant to disable until it was complete. Please add this line to your REBUILDER.INI file. I'm going to disable it anc get an interim fix out.

ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1

Sorry.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

I tried an now i get a lot more files with diferent sizes and none is 1Gb as it should be .
Can you please put all the rebuild files with 1gb (except the last one, of course) ?
I think this way dvd is more compliance.
Thank you

[FilipeAmadeuO]

I tried an now i get a lot more files with diferent sizes and none is 1Gb as it should be .
Can you please put all the rebuild files with 1gb (except the last one, of course) ?
I think this way dvd is more compliance.
Thank you

[jdobbs]

Actually I think it is more properly compliant the way it is... but as I've said in other threads, it seems that commercially authored DVDs don't pay any attention to it, so I may ignore it too. That was the purpose for that flag -- but I didn't mean for it to be used as yet.

[Trahald]

Compliant DVD VOBs just cant go over 1gb.. they can definately be less ( you will see that sometimes with commercial ILVU disks like T2)06/22/2000 05:15 PM <DIR> .
06/22/2000 05:15 PM <DIR> ..
06/22/2000 05:15 PM 16,384 VIDEO_TS.BUP
06/22/2000 05:15 PM 16,384 VIDEO_TS.IFO
06/22/2000 03:21 PM 1,017,856 VIDEO_TS.VOB
06/22/2000 03:26 PM 167,936 VTS_01_0.BUP
06/22/2000 03:26 PM 167,936 VTS_01_0.IFO
06/22/2000 03:25 PM 235,182,080 VTS_01_0.VOB
06/22/2000 03:38 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
06/22/2000 03:48 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_2.VOB
06/22/2000 04:00 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_3.VOB
06/22/2000 04:08 PM 730,079,232 VTS_01_4.VOB
06/22/2000 04:21 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_5.VOB
06/22/2000 04:33 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_6.VOB
06/22/2000 04:46 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_7.VOB
06/22/2000 04:55 PM 674,893,824 VTS_01_8.VOB
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 20,480 VTS_02_0.BUP
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 20,480 VTS_02_0.IFO
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 9,168,896 VTS_02_0.VOB
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 17,981,440 VTS_02_1.VOB
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 18,432 VTS_03_0.BUP
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 18,432 VTS_03_0.IFO
06/22/2000 04:56 PM 1,017,856 VTS_03_0.VOB
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 40,800,256 VTS_03_1.VOB
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 18,432 VTS_04_0.BUP
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 18,432 VTS_04_0.IFO
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 1,017,856 VTS_04_0.VOB
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 83,349,504 VTS_04_1.VOB
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 18,432 VTS_05_0.BUP
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 18,432 VTS_05_0.IFO
06/22/2000 04:57 PM 1,017,856 VTS_05_0.VOB
06/22/2000 04:58 PM 54,767,616 VTS_05_1.VOB
30 File(s) 8,293,253,120 bytes
2 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

[FilipeAmadeuO]

You are right. But normaly the VOB´s are always 1gb long except when is the last vob of the VTS or layer.
That´s the example of T2 and almost all dvd´s that i know.

Jdobbs: Please use this rule, because it´s better

[jptheripper]

its common so its better?

it doesnt matter, so use whatever, as long as it doesnt go over 1gb

edit:

oh wait, jdobbs knows more about dvd compliance then we will ever want to know, lets let him decide! :helpful:

[jdobbs]

Compliant DVD VOBs just cant go over 1gb.. they can definately be less ( you will see that sometimes with commercial ILVU disks like T2 Exactly. The sizes were never supposed to go over 1GB -- but I'd left some experimental code in that wasn't supposed be in affect yet. So without the option I gave above, the the output can be too large if the ILVU code happens to be right at the end of the VOB file. "The Matrix" is another example where a VOB was cut off because of ILVU.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

The studios use always 1Gb files. Except the last vob of VTS or layer.
From all the R2 dvd´s that i had, i don´t remember one that doesn´t have these kind of behavier. Your example of T2 is very clear on that.

But of course Jdobbs decide. In my opinion is better to have 1Gb files always.

[jptheripper]

so does everyone need to insert ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1

or is a rc3updated coming out

[FilipeAmadeuO]

so does everyone need to insert ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1

or is a rc3updated coming out
You need to use it if you don´t want to have files larger than 1Gb. The main problem is Nero complaing about it. If works but is not 100% correct

[jdobbs]

so does everyone need to insert ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1

or is a rc3updated coming out Yes. It won't matter 99% of the time, but on certain ILVU discs it will keep the files from getting too large. I'll output an update soon -- but I want to try and get a couple other updates in as well.

[Trahald]

This is LOTR-TTT-EE Disk 1 (non ilvu) and the layer break is in the middle of vts_03_4.vob. 10/21/2004 10:02 PM <DIR> .
10/21/2004 10:02 PM <DIR> ..
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 24,576 VIDEO_TS.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 24,576 VIDEO_TS.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 1,896,448 VIDEO_TS.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 18,432 VTS_01_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 18,432 VTS_01_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 229,376 VTS_01_0.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 10,240 VTS_01_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 28,672 VTS_02_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 28,672 VTS_02_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 967,323,648 VTS_02_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 92,160 VTS_03_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 92,160 VTS_03_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 82,388,992 VTS_03_0.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 1,073,709,056 VTS_03_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 1,073,709,056 VTS_03_2.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 1,073,709,056 VTS_03_3.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 1,073,709,056 VTS_03_4.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 1,073,709,056 VTS_03_5.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 942,551,040 VTS_03_6.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 20,480 VTS_04_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 20,480 VTS_04_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 7,075,840 VTS_04_0.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 10,240 VTS_04_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_05_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_05_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 7,931,904 VTS_05_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_06_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_06_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 6,905,856 VTS_06_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_07_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_07_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 194,582,528 VTS_07_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_08_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_08_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 67,581,952 VTS_08_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_09_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_09_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 99,432,448 VTS_09_1.VOB
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_10_0.BUP
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 14,336 VTS_10_0.IFO
10/21/2004 10:02 PM 45,371,392 VTS_10_1.VOB
41 File(s) 7,792,377,856 bytes
2 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

Since ILVU sections must not cross the layer break( dvd demystified 2nd Edition page 315), that can be a motivation for a short vob, but its not a requirement. If you can find a rule that says short vobs are only allowed for layer breaks and the last of a set, please point me to a url. thanks

[wmansir]

Has RC3 had any impact on those players with ILVU playback problems in RC2? I haven't had a chance to test it out yet, but I know a couple of people reported the same problems I experienced with my APEX.

[jdobbs]

Not sure, but I think I've found something that may have an impact on that based upon some feedback I've gotten -- it'll be in the next release.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Since ILVU sections must not cross the layer break( dvd demystified 2nd Edition page 315), that can be a motivation for a short vob, but its not a requirement. If you can find a rule that says short vobs are only allowed for layer breaks and the last of a set, please point me to a url. thanks

I don´t know any rule about it, but i have the Alien Quadriology with a lot of ILVU areas and the VOB´s are all 1gb. But it´s also truth that they cannot cross the layer break. But that´s not what i´m asking.
I´m asking that DVD Rebuider creates 1Gb files always and if necessary the ILVU sections can be put in 2 diferent´s sequential vobs, so you can obey to the 1Gb rule.

[jptheripper]

you are missing the point

there is no 1gb rule

its a max, not a requirement.. max means they can be smaller

[FilipeAmadeuO]

you are missing the point

there is no 1gb rule

its a max, not a requirement.. max means they can be smaller

Ok. Changing the ways the request is made:
Jdobbs - Please creates 1Gb files always and when necessary put the ILVU sections in 2 diferent´s sequential vobs.

[SpazzHH]

For what reason?

[ron spencer]

can't you just run it under DVDShrink to fix all this as an interim solution....it makes vob sizes fine....just have it 100% quality

[SpazzHH]

As long as the disc is compliant(the fix takes care of that) what difference does it make what size the files are, as long as it plays? Does it cause problems?

[FilipeAmadeuO]

At least is more organized.

[writersblock29]

@Jdobbs

[Qoute] "I put some new code in that I meant to disable until it was complete. Please add this line to your REBUILDER.INI file. I'm going to disable it anc get an interim fix out.

ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1"

Would one enter this value under "Options?"

@FilipeAmadeuO

How would it be more organized? Not dissing you... I just don't understand. So long as the DVD player can read the collection of VOBs, and said VOBs are within DVD Compliance Standards, is there really a problem with their size and order? A given DVD's stucture dictates that commands frequently bouce from IFO to IFO, VOB to VOB (menu commands in particular), so I wouldn't think that having sequences of 1GB files (except the last one, which might be smaller) would equal, say, defragmenting a hard drive. Am I simply missing your point?

[a63548]

Posting to say that the ILVU has improved greatly on encoding Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition. Still, while playing the movie through the menu, it changes from the special edition to the theatrical edition or to the extended special edition.

I'm using CCE 2.70.02.00 SP Trial, with DVD-RB Pro RC3
No preprocessing done.
One click mode.

I did use the Angel BestLow matrix. Not sure if that would change anything. And I also included ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1 in rebuilder.ini under Options.

Hope these help:

rebuilder.log (http://a63548.net/logs/rebuilder.log) rebuilder.ini (http://a63548.net/logs/rebuilder.ini)

I also wanted to say thanks again for such a great program jdobbs. :)

[jdobbs]

Ok. Changing the ways the request is made:
Jdobbs - Please creates 1Gb files always and when necessary put the ILVU sections in 2 diferent´s sequential vobs. :confused: That's just the point. If it would fit into 1GB sequential VOBs -- there would be no need to make them smaller. The VOB file is cut off specifically when there isn't room between the point at which the ILVU section starts and the file's 1GB boundary.

Don't worry, though, on the next release you will be able to set the flag

ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=0

(which will be the default) and the files will all be set to 1GB. I've done some testing, and on every player I've tried it works fine with ILVU crossing the files. Frankly I can't even find the reference to where it was supposed to be kept within a single .VOB file -- I only remember it from somewhere...

[jdobbs]

Posting to say that the ILVU has improved greatly on encoding Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition. Still, while playing the movie through the menu, it changes from the special edition to the theatrical edition or to the extended special edition.

I'm using CCE 2.70.02.00 SP Trial, with DVD-RB Pro RC3
No preprocessing done.
One click mode.

I did use the Angel BestLow matrix. Not sure if that would change anything. And I also included ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=1 in rebuilder.ini under Options.

Hope these help:

rebuilder.log (http://a63548.net/logs/rebuilder.log) rebuilder.ini (http://a63548.net/logs/rebuilder.ini)

I also wanted to say thanks again for such a great program jdobbs. :) Thanks for the support. This ILVU stuff is really a bear. I have a couple more fixes/changes coming that may help fix this.

[jdobbs]

I think RC4 will be a major improvement to the ILVU processing. I've found made a couple of corrections that I believe to be at the root of most of the reported ILVU issues. With a little luck (assuming my testing goes ok) I may be sending it out tomorrow.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

:Don't worry, though, on the next release you will be able to set the flag

ILVU_PREVENT_VTS_CROSSING=0

(which will be the default) and the files will all be set to 1GB. I've done some testing, and on every player I've tried it works fine with ILVU crossing the files. Frankly I can't even find the reference to where it was supposed to be kept within a single .VOB file -- I only remember it from somewhere...

Ok. Thank you very much for your attention
Best regards

[FilipeAmadeuO]

RC4 is perfect in the file size. And also excelent in the ILVU sections. No problems in Alien 3 Special Edition R2. Perfect :)

[writersblock29]

I also have the pleasure of posting a success with RC4: Hide and Seek, R1, NTSC. There are five different endings if you count the original theatrical release. Now, I didn't sit down and watch the whole film five times over... but I DID make sure to watch the transitions between the original film and the alternate endings. No pauses. No skips. No stutters. Perfect! The theatrical version played all the way through without a hitch on a Sony DVP-NS575P. Burned with Copy2DVD at 8X on Verbatim media.