AutoGK OGM or MKV

[wombat77]

Does any one know if there any plans to add OGM & MKV to AutoGK?

I Know you can do it in normal GK but AutoGK is so easer for slow people like me.

[unskinnyboy]

len0x does have that on his plate he has said. But since no one here has employed him to develop AutoGK, he will get to it whenever he can. We should just be grateful whenever that happens.

[Yo]

Does any one know if there any plans to add OGM & MKV to AutoGK?

I Know you can do it in normal GK but AutoGK is so easer for slow people like me.

It's easy and quick to change the AVI (that you created in AutoGK) to OGM or MKV in VIrtualDubMod.

Open the AVI in VDM. If you wish to add chapters, etc. (supported in OGM and MKV, do so from the Streams list.

Under Compression in the Video menu, choose "Direct Stream Copy". Same for the Audio stream.

File, "Save As", save to .OGM or MKV. As you selected "Direct Stream Copy", the video will not be re-rendered. It just changes the container file type to OGM or MKV, the video and audio are the same as before. It only takes a minute or two.

[unskinnyboy]

All you gain by that is a space saving of a few megs and so I don't see much point in MP3/AC3 in OGM/MKV (done by just swapping the container in VirtualDubMoD). So probably wombat77 had OGG audio too in mind - only then does it make any sense, for the user to ask for it and for len0x to program it.

[cork]

The precise answer to this is : NOT till more standalone players (MTK/KISS/Sigmatek... chipsets) support it.
Already answered there (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=96439).

[Doom9]

and here's another one from a developer who's getting burned out adding additional container support in an app that was never designed to support different containers: it is a major PITA to support another container. I invite everybody who thinks this statement is not true to pick a random dvd ripping software with available sources and get his hands dirty..

[stax76]

and here's another one from a developer who's getting burned out adding additional container support in an app that was never designed to support different containers: it is a major PITA to support another container. I invite everybody who thinks this statement is not true to pick a random dvd ripping software with available sources and get his hands dirty..


it's true, I have the basic infra-structure but not the time for the implementation details, stuff where the containers as well as muxing tools differ. I've dumped mkv and ogm support in my DVX successor Stax Media Encoder, maybe it will come back but for a single programmer it's critical and I want to do the application alone...

[wombat77]

The main reason i was asking about mkv and ogm is because i would like to be able to do dual audio and a subtitle in the 1 container. Putting chapters in would also be handy, i haden't tought of that.
If there is no easy way i'll just have to learn Gordian Knot.

[unskinnyboy]

You can have dual audio + srt/ssa subtitles in avi itself, if you use AVI-Mux GUI to mux them. Just calculate the target size accordingly - make your AutoGK encode considering the size of the 2nd audio which you will mux in later with AVI-Mux GUI. OCR subs hardly take any space. There is a hack by Vidomi to store chapters in avi, but it is only playable by few players, so it is not recommended.

Easier than learning GordianKnot ^^^ :)

[jellysandwich]

Dual audio and subtitles? What exactly are
you planning on ripping, anime?

If that's the case, then you definitely should
learn GKnot AND Avisynth - AutoGK will give you
horrible results with most anime.

Then again, if you're just thinking about old
vanilla movies, then unskinnyboy's suggestion
will suffice.

js

[Yo]

All you gain by that is a space saving of a few megs and so I don't see much point in MP3/AC3 in OGM/MKV (done by just swapping the container in VirtualDubMoD). So probably wombat77 had OGG audio too in mind - only then does it make any sense, for the user to ask for it and for len0x to program it.

No, the purpose of it isn't only to save a few megs, nor is the purpose of it (for me at least) to use OGG audio.

The OGM and MKV containers have some advantages over AVI, such as chapters, etc. My main usage of AutoGK is to make small videos that I can watch on my Pocket PC or Smartphone, playing them back with TCPMP (formerly Betaplayer). That will play back OGM and MKV, as will my main desktop media player, Media Player Classic.

If I have a video I would like to put chapters in (such as a music video, with different songs, and I might like to go to a particular song), I save it to OGM or MKV, using the procedure in Vdubmod I described.

Hardware support? (Issue raised in another post in this thread.) Well, not many DVD players support AVI either. I really don't see the point to that anyhow, backing up a DVD to a CD. If you're going to back up a DVD to another disc, why not just back it up to another DVD? Simpler and quicker, and compatible with all DVD players. Well, I guess you save a few cents using a CD blank rather than a DVD blank, but is that trouble and lack of compatibility worth it for saving a few cents?

So for me, there is no hardware issue with the containers. I only convert a DVD to AVI, OGM or MKV in order to have a small video to play on a PDA. In that case, software compatibility is essential, and with the great freeware media player TCPMP, which will play just about anything, all of these containers are compatible.

[Yo]

The main reason i was asking about mkv and ogm is because i would like to be able to do dual audio and a subtitle in the 1 container. Putting chapters in would also be handy, i haden't tought of that.
If there is no easy way i'll just have to learn Gordian Knot.

There is an easy way. Did you read my post about it? Another poster said you probably wanted to add OGG audio, in which case my procedure wouldn't help. But since that doesn't seem to be the case, try what I recommended, a quick re-save (without re-rendering) in Vdubmod is all you need to do, Takes only a couple of minutes. Try it!