Free decoder for Nero AVC?

[AlexeyS]

Is this some chance to watch AVC encoded movies with free audio 5.1/video decoder? :confused:

[Latexxx]

haali splitter + ffdshow + coreaac

[JohnV]

You don't need CoreAAC if you use the latest ffdshow. Check the Nero Digital Information thread in my sig for more info.

[acidsex]

Latest videolan client works perfectly as well.

[AlexeyS]

You don't need CoreAAC if you use the latest ffdshow. Check the Nero Digital Information thread in my sig for more info.
Ok. Will quality of decoded video and 5.1 audio be the same as quality of video/audio decoded with Nero ShowTime?

[Episode]

Yes it will. I'd say that ffdshow, haali's media splitter and mpc are quite good combination.

[Ishan]

I personnaly use : ffdshow (with AR correction enabled) + mpc
It's even better than the nero filter cause you can control many things you can't with nero.

[yokem55]

It would be nice if Haali could automaticly set the sar setting in the bitstream with the mp4 files.

[bond]

check out the mpeg-4 sticky for a list of available decoders

[Isochroma]

Search for "no piracy please" on <no p2p either>. You will find a decoder pack by MindPhaser. It contains the ripped nero decoder, along with several others. The Nero decoder is the only one on my system (apart from the HFYU one) that outputs full dynamic range colorspaces on playback.

I suspect that many people have been watching their mpeg-4 (divx, xvid) with either ffdshow (bad aspect ratio) or the native codecs (both of which don't correctly translate the color space, at least on my system). The Nero decoder has been a miracle for me (it decodes mpeg-2, dvd, avc, xvid, and divx!).

[buzzqw]

@Isochroma
are you promoting something "warez" ??? :readrule:

:mad:

BHH

[Episode]

This is definetly warez. Shame on you.

[SeeMoreDigital]

We have/had a Doom9 forum member that went by the name of Mindphaser (http://forum.doom9.org/search.php?searchid=116520). And given that all eight of his/her posts were placed within Nero threads I suspect it's the same person.

Recommending any hacked product such as this is breaking the forum rules!


Cheers

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

Recommending any hacked product such as this is breaking the forum rules!



Yes,I agree with you,but still.There is a lot poor people in the world who don't have money to buy programs,or video codecs.

[IgorC]

If you haven't a money there is open source x264 and ffdshow decoder (free speech ... not beer). And please, don't cry that somebody doesn't have money to buy codec. It's getin silly. There are million africans who will die next 5-10 years ... and there have no money to buy a bread and they have no idea about x264 .... And you have money to survive at least and still complain about free decoder. Oh, yes .. I also what a Mercedez Benz as others.
Just think about it.

[acidsex]

Theft is theft, simple as that. It has nothing to do with poor people etc...You talk like decoders are expensive. ND is $30. If someone is too poor to spend $30 to get AVC decoding and encoding, then thats just tough shit. I may sound like an asshole but no one gives a crap that the rest of find ways to make money to pay for the things we buy and use so seriously, why should the poor people get special consideration.

You give "poor" people free decoder and then they come here and to the companies web site looking for "free" tech support. Where does it end? It doesnt.

I know I have a hardline when it comes to any type of warez but maybe thats the teacher in me. You know the sad thing is, you could probably write to one of the companies that produce a decoder and ask them if they could donate a license instead of pirating it. They just might surprise you.

Sorry about the soap box but anytime I hear the excuse about people being poor to validate using pirated warez just pisses me off.

[Isochroma]

It's only the decoders, people! Not useful for anything but watching your videos. I think the better decoders people can get their hands on, the more encoders companies like Nero will sell...

Being able to watch the amazing quality of h.264 in correct colorspace is the most powerful selling point of this new codec. But regardless of my opinion, distribution of this small codec pack (like many others that are available on large, public websites) will continue, despite the inclusion of a few commercial decoders.

It seems to me that almost all codec packs include at least a few commercial decoders/filters that haven't been licensed, but I have never heard of any complaints regarding them. I think that giving people decoders is good policy because allows them to see for themselves why they should support the companies and individuals who write the encoders.

Oh, and I have not broken any forum rules:

"Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated."

I have not provided any links. Anyone is free to find the software by themselves, but they will have to search.

Note also that I first encountered the Nero AVC decoder when I installed NeroVision Express (trial, downloadable from the site). After months of neglect, one day I decided that it was useless and uninstalled it. Later that week, I started experimenting with h.264 encoding, and to my surprise when I played these MP4 files the Nero decoder showed in Filters.

I re-checked that I'd uninstalled the trial, and confirmed that it was gone. It took some investigation, but I found that the NeroVision trial leaves the AVC decoder on the system (at least it did so on mine repeatedly). The decoder has no license or trial limitation period so far as I can tell. So, being freely downloadable in the NeroVision package, and also being left on the machine after uninstall, I would say that perhaps Nero would like users to continue using its decoders...

[Episode]

It doesn't matter if it's only a decoder. If nero doesn't say that you can distribute them freely, you can't. It's simple as that. And don't give us that "everybody is doing it, there is no harm!" -crap. Plus, there is NOTHING wrong with ffdshow's decoding support. It works well enough for poor people who can't pay $30 for encoder/decoder.

And yes, you did broke the rules. You told people HOW to get illeagal material in a very specific way. That's almost the same as providing direct link.

[Isochroma]

but what do you think this entire site is about, my friend?

Do you really think all the thousands of visitors here are using the tools, techniques, and links (ahem, links) that doom9 provides to 'backup' their DVDs?

I'm very sure that most of them are doing more than just burning those files to disc and storing them on the bookshelf. This site is in fact the world's central hub for knowledge, tools, and links to enable people commit piracy on a massive scale. And all evidence so far indicates that people are indeed doing so - with crucial help and support from doom9, of course.

How many of the applications that are directly linked (even hosted!) on this site are illegal in many countries of the world, probably including the country(s) hosting doom9 servers?

Those without sin should scold the sinners, wouldn't you agree? After all, it is only a matter of time before the FBI, MPAA and a long list of other vindictive corporations and their government lackeys come raining down on this site like a pile of bricks, regardless of how perfectly the chat in the forums can be regulated.

Do you think the authorities will really care about some codec pack when the site is itself hosting ripping software and linking to a majority of the world's sites that teach people how to break the encryption on DVDs, compress them and distribute online via P2P?

Doom9 is, of course, the best site in the world for many more things than DVD 'backups' and is in fact also the hub for lots of open-source development and many other truly valuable activities. Regardless of what people do with all that knowledge, and all those tools, I think that the site has done a great job (even if we may not always agree on its purpose, purported or effective).

And I do appreciate the reasons behind limiting discussion of pirated software on the forums. It is, of course, important to avoid committing more crimes than one has to in order to get the main crime done. One less charge on the indictment when the offender is finally brought to justice... so I will in future avoid mentioning things which might be construed as pirated software.

[acidsex]

but what do you think this entire site is about, my friend?

Do you really think all the thousands of visitors here are using the tools, techniques, and links (ahem, links) that doom9 provides to 'backup' their DVDs?

I'm very sure that most of them are doing more than just burning those files to disc and storing them on the bookshelf. This site is in fact the world's central hub for knowledge, tools, and links to enable people commit piracy on a massive scale. And all evidence so far indicates that people are indeed doing so - with crucial help and support from doom9, of course.

How many of the applications that are directly linked (even hosted!) on this site are illegal in many countries of the world, probably including the country(s) hosting doom9 servers?

Those without sin should scold the sinners, wouldn't you agree? After all, it is only a matter of time before the FBI, MPAA and a long list of other vindictive corporations and their government lackeys come raining down on this site like a pile of bricks, regardless of how perfectly the chat in the forums can be regulated.

Do you think the authorities will really care about some codec pack when the site is itself hosting ripping software and linking to a majority of the world's sites that teach people how to break the encryption on DVDs, compress them and distribute online via P2P?



You are coming very close to slandering doom9 and its members. I would think very carefully before you say anything else or you might fidn yourself banned from this community.

I, for one, use the various tools here to make backups of DVDs I own. In simpler terms for you to understand, DVDs I have purchased so what I do with my personal purchases are none of your business nor is it the business of any government any where.

The point has been made that you were specific in your instructions in how to ILLEGALLY obtain software without paying for it. A simple "sorry" for your actions would have sufficed and everything would have been fine.

BTW, I bet there is a MUCH LARGER scale of piracy going on the little P2P program you mentioned than there is here on doom9.

[Sirber]

have a look here: http://www.doom9.org/disclaimer.htm

[Isochroma]

Regarding the rules, I may have come too close to that magical line, or maybe even stepped over it. Hard to tell, because the rules are vaguely enough worded that there's plenty of latitude.

But to be fair, I ought to more conservatively interpret the information I provided regarding the Nero decoder pack. At the time I provided the information, I did not have reason to think that the decoder pack would be a piracy issue. In fact, the decoder pack may not infringe at all - at least I don't have any solid evidence that it does - so the entire argument may be moot.

With the best intentions, I was merely trying to help someone who needed something. It is in this spirit of sharing that the worldwide community known as the Internet continues to grow at such a rapid pace. The corporations want to put a stop to sharing of all kinds, and have total control over every aspect of the human lives around them.

Like all totalitarian structures, they can never be satisfied with any degree of control short of its totality. Thus, the never-ending march toward fascism by the vicious duality of legal penalty and technological prison, heavily funded by vested, moneyed interests whose sole purpose is the enhancement of their power at the expense of everyone else's.

An integral component of such authoritarianism is of course censorship of communication, because the free exchange of ideas threatens to break the web of control which is so necessary to ensure perpetuation of the system.

In a sorry twist, even the downtrodden are recruited to enforce the rules upon those below them, or suffer the penalty of being persecuted themselves. Thus we find ourselves in this strange world, awaiting the next tightening of the hangman's noose, the squeezing pressure of jackboot upon softened skull.

It is because I find such measures revolting, regardless of who enforces them, that I write. I do not promote piracy per se, but I do not discourage it either. Perhaps I am a libertarian, or maybe an anarchist. I do think this site is about freedom - personal freedom - as you mention. Such a strange notion as freedom will one day be relegated to the dustbin of history, one bit at a time.

Until then, I'll do my best to exercise restraint, and we can all continue to enjoy this great resource, for whatever private purposes we may.

***
And one more commment, this time about the programmer who is responsible for Nero's entire venture into AVC encoding software. It seems he was working on an open source AVC codec before he defected to Nero. So, he took all those open-source ideas (that many people contributed) and made money for himself with them. After all the hard work of testers and volunteer coders who must have worked on the project ironing out bugs and making incremental improvements, he could bring an entire code framework over to Nero and sell himself as a valuable commodity. That's how they suddenly became the best (or pretty close) for DVD re-encoding.

But this is not a new story, it has been repeated uncountable times.

How about DivX, building their reputation (and user base) from a stolen, hacked M$ codec and, because of the early mass-distribution, they can now make money selling a codec which has been re-written from scratch, so is technically non-infringing? But without that piracy-based early capture of the 'market', they wouldn't have a basis for their profitable sales today.

[bill_baroud]

And one more commment, this time about the programmer who is responsible for Nero's entire venture into AVC encoding software. It seems he was working on an open source AVC codec before he defected to Nero. So, he took all those open-source ideas (that many people contributed) and made money for himself with them.

that's just insulting his work....but i won't comment more than that.
(from where do you think come x264 btw ....)

[bobololo]

And one more commment, this time about the programmer who is responsible for Nero's entire venture into AVC encoding software. It seems he was working on an open source AVC codec before he defected to Nero. So, he took all those open-source ideas (that many people contributed) and made money for himself with them. After all the hard work of testers and volunteer coders who must have worked on the project ironing out bugs and making incremental improvements, he could bring an entire code framework over to Nero and sell himself as a valuable commodity. That's how they suddenly became the best (or pretty close) for DVD re-encoding.

Please don't claim things you don't know unless you have solid proofs. What you've said is just completely false and is very irritating/hurting for all the developers involved in ND.

btw, you seem to know much about liberty, facism, anarchy or totalitarian structures. How would you sort your "strike people first before knowing what they actually did" behaviour among these regime ? ;)

[yaz]

heyheyhey, my dearests, pleeease ... take it easy! leeean back, take a very deeeep breath, and let the steam out ... and, pls, let this "facism, liberism, hackerism, fuckerism" bullshit for other forums. pls !

the question was quite simple. the answer was given (not from nero, but u can use ... ) we should stop here. imho.

thx
y

[Doom9]

Since you can install the demo, uninstall it again and keep the working AVC decoder, there's no need for license breaking codec packs.

and as far as he could bring an entire code framework over to Nero and sell himself as a valuable commoditygoes, making such claims without any shred of evidence is slander... you are implying a GPL license after all.. you cannot take a single line of code GPL code that wasn't written by you and use it in a commercial project, unless it also is available under the GPL.

And as far as piracy goes, whenver we have any doubts that a discussion concerns activity that goes beyond what is acceptable under the fair use clause, it will be stopped. It is neither the existence of this forum nore the tools available on my site that create piracy.. it takes a certain mindset of willingly infringe copyright. You don't infringe copyright by using any tools available on my site... you do it by distributing your backups in forms not authorized by the law. And as far as the release scene goes, they have their own meeting places and guides for the matter (perhaps some of the more senior people will recall where MM4, VKI, MMC and SBC comes from).