DVD-Video Mastering Errors [Archive]

k2002rahmani

9th July 2005, 09:05

This is not a DVD-RB issue. This is a very common AnyDVD issue that can happen with any number of encoders/transcoders. It used to happen with Pinnacle's InstantCopy, and Nero Recode.

A Google search can prove this. According to the SlySoft fix log, it has been fixed in V3.8.1.3. Personally, I would not recommend using AnyDVD with DVD-RB because you can damage your drive. It is much safer to use DVD-Decryptor to copy to HD.

Again, this is definitely not a DVD-RB error.

mayhem2408

9th July 2005, 14:59

Again, this is definitely not a DVD-RB error.

OK. Then explain this. The movie in question is LADDER 49. When recompressed with DVD Rebuilder V0.932 and HC V0.15 I DO NOT have any problems with the ISO file it creates. However if I do exacly the same procedure with the same movie in DVD Rebuilder V1.0 RC1 and RC2, the ISO file when burns is reported to have mastering errors. If it is a AnyDVD issue then why has it only started to occur with DVDRB V1.0.

BTW. I need AnyDVD to unlock the RPC2 protection on my drive which DVD Decrypter can not do. I still use DVD Decrypter to copy files to the Hard Drive.

Rockas

9th July 2005, 15:28

Maybe it has something to do with this:

Changelog from RC1:

"(...)- Added ISO failsafe code so that padding is inserted at any time it may be possible for an IFO and BUP to overlap in the same ECC. This dramatically decreases the possibility of a scratch ever damaging both an IFO and it's corresponding backup (BUP) file (which can render a disc unplayable). Note that this action is only taken when DVD-RB has been instructed to create an ISO image. Also note IFOEDIT will incorrectly see the changes to the IFO for padding as offset errors. Do NOT perform an IFOEDIT "Get VTS Sectors" against a VIDEO_TS folder that has been built for ISO unless you are planning to use some other burning package to create the disc -- as IFOEDIT will incorrectly change the values back to the non-failsafe state. (...)"

As I said... maybe... I'm not sure.

k2002rahmani

9th July 2005, 16:24

Still, not a DVD-RB issue. Apparently, a new feature (possibly the one Rockas mentioned) is causing this AnyDVD error. But I got this error with InstantCopy and Nero Recode, so it id not limited to DVD-RB.

Have you tried updating AnyDVD? Also, I wasn't aware that there are protections that DVD Decrypter can't remove.....

k2002rahmani

9th July 2005, 16:25

Yeah, I think Rockas hit it. IC probably uses the same padding idea.

I'm not quite sure why you're worried about using AnyDVD on the non-protected disc. As long as the DVD plays fine, I don't think the AnyDVD means anything.

jdobbs

9th July 2005, 16:46

The padding is only added in rare circumstances -- were the discs done in "movie-only" mode?

winny

9th July 2005, 16:55

k2002rahmani, i don't share your confidence that it's *definately* not a dvdrb problem.

i didn't see this issue with 1.00rc1, and like mayhem2408 i have only seen this after a completing a project with rc2.

i'll have a play to see if i get the same error after building the iso with pgcedit/mkisofs instead of the built-in dvdrb feature.

winny

9th July 2005, 17:26

ok, now it's getting interesting. by using pgcedit/mkisofs to make an iso from the DVDFILES folder i don't get the error message in AnyDVD when loading the burned disk or mounting the iso in Daemon Tools.

i have the option to leave 32K space between IFO and BUP enable in pgcedit. is this the same as the padding option in the rc1 changelog?

winny

9th July 2005, 17:53

ok, scratch that first theory. pgcedit's iso DOES produce the same error as dvdrb's. (i've changed so many settings along the way playing with this i've confused myself).

so, it's not the iso creation that's the problem it's the content in the DVDFILES folder that anydvd isn't happy with.

will try the same project with dvdrb 0.93.2 to see if it was fine before the latest RC versions.

Rockas

9th July 2005, 17:59

This is a shot in the dark but... have you read this?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=684464#post684464 ... don't forget to read jdobbs answer...

k2002rahmani

9th July 2005, 19:19

I withdraw the confidence in the iso padding theory, but it still is not a DVD-RB problem, otherwise it would not happen in IC. I think it is still related to iso creation though.

mayhem2408

9th July 2005, 20:35

OK. A few more tests later at it is defenatly only occuring when in create ISO mode. I have the latest version on AnyDVD and still the same error. But it I do not get DVD RB V1.0 to create the ISO and use ULTRAISO instead, the burnt disc works without error.

jdobbs, can this padding feature be disabled?

mayhem2408

9th July 2005, 20:42

Have you tried updating AnyDVD? Also, I wasn't aware that there are protections that DVD Decrypter can't remove.....
Most DVD drives these days have firmware to switch of the RPC2 protection. I have not been able to find a firmware that works properly on my Sony drive. This is where AnyDVD comes in. It disabled the RPC2 protection. My Sony drive is locked on Region 4. Without AnyDVD I can only read Region 4 discs. Even DVD Decrypter does not get around that one.

k2002rahmani

9th July 2005, 21:20

I think jdobbs said the padding occurs in specific situations only (seems rare). Try using ImgTool, which uses the mkisofs.exe iso creation (same as DVD-RB). It is freeware. Just download Classic version, and see what happens. I am interetested to see if the iso works or not.

jdobbs

9th July 2005, 21:34

Did you ever give any consideration to the possibility that the problem may be with AnyDVD????

Why is no player or drive without AnyDVD having a problem??? I'm hearing also that it happens with other ISO creation software and other DVD backup software.

Pretty much the only time the padding ever even becomes a player is if you have an IFO and a BUP that has no VOB files associated with it.

The ISO images are burned with MKISOFS.EXE -- which as a very good reputation as being accurate.

Next thing I'll hear is that DVD-RB was responsible for the Kennedy assasination. I'm willing to fix bugs -- but they have to be bugs in DVD-RB, and this right now just doesn't sound like that is the case.

Of course, I'll give it the attention it deserves if that turns out not to be the case.

jdobbs

9th July 2005, 21:44

mayhem2408

9th July 2005, 22:53

Try creating the ISO with v93.2, it doesn't have the padding feature.
Already did that test and V0.932 does not cause AnyDVD to give me errors.

winny

9th July 2005, 22:59

it may well be a failing of anydvd that produces the error message, i was just curious why it didn't throw out any errors on my previous projects with the older dvdrb versions.

i'll continue to play until i stumble across something vaguely helpful.

jdobbs

9th July 2005, 23:01

The only difference in ISO burning between versions is the padding. My guess is that AnyDVD doesn't know how to handle it. I asked earlier but didn't get a response... is this a movie-only job?

jdobbs

9th July 2005, 23:04

@winny

I just want to be sure you know what I'm asking. You created a VIDEO_TS folder with RC2, but made the ISO with v93.2, right?

k2002rahmani

9th July 2005, 23:32

Did you ever give any consideration to the possibility that the problem may be with AnyDVD????

Yes, I did from the first post :rolleyes:

This is not a DVD-RB issue. This is a very common AnyDVD issue that can happen with any number of encoders/transcoders. It used to happen with Pinnacle's InstantCopy, and Nero Recode.

Again, this is definitely not a DVD-RB error.

Rockas

10th July 2005, 00:31

Even if the error is caused by the padding... can't this be one error like the one that Nero throws when there are VOBs with 0 lenght?
Did anyone tried to burn the files?

jdobbs

10th July 2005, 02:42

I'm confident the padding is done correctly. If it weren't -- the entire sector structure would be off and the DVD wouldn't play back in a single standalone player... But that doesn't happen.

That's what makes me think it is an AnyDVD recognition of the padding problem, not a DVD-RB problem. Of course, I guess anything is possible, but the probability is low.

Have you found a standalone player, software player, DVD-ROM drive, XBOX, Playstation, or any other device other than AnyDVD that has problems playing the disc as it was created?

Let's be logical here.

mayhem2408

10th July 2005, 03:24

Have you found a standalone player, software player, DVD-ROM drive, XBOX, Playstation, or any other device other than AnyDVD that has problems playing the disc as it was created?

I'm am currently getting an error in WinDVD 6.0 which says "The InterActual Features for this disc may be in use by another application. WinDVD will open this disc in DVD-Video mode. To use the InterActual Features in WinDVD please exit the other application and restart WinDVD again." However there are no other files in the root of the DVD disc except for the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders. Once I click on OK on the dialog box the movie starts to play OK.

borgraf

10th July 2005, 16:00

I'm am currently getting an error in WinDVD 6.0 which says "The InterActual Features for this disc may be in use by another application. WinDVD will open this disc in DVD-Video mode. To use the InterActual Features in WinDVD please exit the other application and restart WinDVD again."If you don't install Interactual player when you install WinDVD you'll get that "error" all the time.

Sophoclesdrf

10th July 2005, 19:04

Next thing I'll hear is that DVD-RB was responsible for the Kennedy assassination.

Hmmm! Where were you on November 22, 1963?

AnyDVD does remove protections (such as RPC2) that Decrypter can't. I've never personally experienced any conflicts between AnyDVD and RB but if RB is involved in the Kennedy assassination then anything is possible. So we have to accept the possibility that AnyDVD can cause some conflicts in certain situations.

mayhem2408

10th July 2005, 22:14

@jdobbs.

FYI. This is the DIR structure of one of the DVD-Videos I have had the error with. To answer a previous question, it is not in Movie Only mode. In this case the VIDEO_TS.VOB file is smaller than 16KB, would that cause it?

VIDEO_TS.IFO 22,528
VIDEO_TS.VOB 14,336
VIDEO_TS.BUP 22,528
VTS_01_0.IFO 18,432
VTS_01_0.VOB 204,800
VTS_01_1.VOB 23,332,864
VTS_01_0.BUP 18,432
VTS_02_0.IFO 147,456
VTS_02_0.VOB 75,128,832
VTS_02_1.VOB 1,073,739,776
VTS_02_2.VOB 1,073,739,776
VTS_02_3.VOB 1,073,739,776
VTS_02_4.VOB 1,073,739,776
VTS_02_5.VOB 135,195,136
VTS_02_0.BUP 147,456
VTS_03_0.IFO 30,720
VTS_03_0.VOB 204,800
VTS_03_1.VOB 143,360
VTS_03_0.BUP 30,720

winny

14th July 2005, 22:05

Sorry for taking so long to respond but I wanted to repeat my steps to be absolutely sure. The source files were ripped with dvddecryptor and not preprocessed with anything.

dvdrb 0.93.2 - One click, movie and menus, output to ISO. Anydvd doesn't complain.

Using the source files from 0.93.2 and doing the rebuild + ISO step with rc2, Anydvd doesn't complain.

dvdrb rc1 or 2. One click, movie and menus, output to ISO. Anydvd doesn't like it, and reports the dvd is not mastered correctly.

I have tried using Pgcedit v0.6 to compile an ISO from the rc2 DVDFILES folder and this has the same error with Anydvd.

For the sake of jdobbs' sanity the iso's reported as incorrect by Anydvd have been burned and play flawlessly on a standalone player.

At the end of the day it's not a huge problem and the reported error is likely to be attributable to Anydvd as previously guessed, but something changed recently in dvdrb to prompt the messages.

I hope some of this helps.

brobear

15th July 2005, 04:24

Soph... LOL DVD RB is responsible for the Kennedy assassination...

As for AnyDVD, I use it all the time and have been for quite a while. When the newer encryption systems started coming out, DVDD sometimes lagged behind AnyDVD in getting updated. Then I got used to having the navigation options supplied by AnyDVD. The only incident I had was some time back while backing up a disc with bad sector encryption. I simply turned off the AnyDVD and all worked fine and that was the only such incident. That was a single incident with a conflict in use of AnyDVD and Decrypter, nothing to do with RB and to repeat, it was with older versions of the AnyDVD and DVDD. I've had no problems at all with any of the files created with AnyDVD assistance. I've done several backups recently with the new RB versions, no problems. To date, none of the RB encoded movies I've done with AnyDVD and/or Decrypter have failed to function properly. However, I use the file mode exclusively when working with RB. So, from my perspective, it looks like it may be an ISO creation problem across several software apps. I say that because some of you are noting the same problems with apps such as Pinnacle. Plus, I don't run AnyDVD except when I need it. So, I have no readings from AnyDVD when I'm dealing with files that have already been decrypted. (When I've forgotten and left the AnyDVD on, I still haven't had any problems out of it.) Once the files are ripped and I see my software and standalone players handle them, I could care less what the decryption software has to say at that point (it plays).

BTW, I am familiar with ISO files and find instances where using DAEMON and other drive simulators are necessary or handy. But, using ISO with the belief that it somehow helps video quality over the file mode is an iffy proposition. On my equipment, I've never seen a difference and it's easier not having to add the extra step of loading the files in a simulated drive. I'd suggest if you're having problems with ISO with DVD RB or any other app, switch to the File mode for ripping and encoding.

brobear

15th July 2005, 04:45

jdobbs,
Personally, I don't think the problem has anything to do with the RB. Forgive me, I don't feel adventurous today. So, I'm not going to change my method of using RB to try to create problems I've not been experiencing. At least not until I have some time to invest for trivial pursuits. Now as far as the file structure change you made a few versions back... I guess you had your reasons, but it causes problems for me. I preferred the Video_TS folder at the top of the output folder. I only need that one for recording and it was simple to delete the rest from there. Not a problem for a single backup, but when storing a few backups before burning, it just takes more steps when deleting the extra files to save space. Instead of having the audio and video files in dvdfiles, may I suggest putting the D2AVS files in a separate file and leaving the video and audio at the top of the output folder? But, that's material for another thread.

k2002rahmani

15th July 2005, 06:10

Just out of curiosity, who said that ISO can create better quality? It's all digital, so I don't see how that's even possible. Just lots of 0's and 1's, whether in ISO or File

brobear

15th July 2005, 06:20

k2002rahmani
Just a misconception I've noticed on some other threads, also some people tend to think it is a matter of playability for some equipment. Personally, I've not run into that one yet. If problems persist using ISO, as I suggested, people should try the File mode for ripping and recording the DVD backup. Some of my friends have mentioned they have been trouble free with AnyDVD and RB and they do their backups by ripping with the File mode as well. We all have large video libraries, so we're talking about hundreds (possibly thousands) of trouble free backups using AnyDVD as part of the setup. Many of those using RB/CCE as the encoder.

Sophoclesdrf

15th July 2005, 06:36

Most of the people that I've encountered who use ISO's for DVD back ups, use them with DVD Shrink so that they can burn with DVD Decrypter. They're especially useful if your downloading free operating systems such as Linux because it's quick and it simplifies making a bootable disc for installation. Quality wise, no difference of any kind but on occasion they can be very practical.

I'm going to see if I can reproduce the errors that have fueled the idea that there's a conflict between RB and AnyDVD. I use them both and I haven't encountered that problem yet but that doesn't mean that it can't happen.

mayhem2408

15th July 2005, 06:46

I'm going to see if I can reproduce the errors that have fueled the idea that there's a conflict between RB and AnyDVD. I use them both and I haven't encountered that problem yet but that doesn't mean that it can't happen.

I can preproduce the error in AnyDVD every time when using Movie Only Mode. And I has occured once on a full DVD backup.

brobear

15th July 2005, 07:11

Sophoclesdrf
Seems a convoluted setup just to be able to use a freeware burner. But then some people will do anything so they can say they did it with freeware. Me, I'd rather use a good retail app such as CopyToDVD or Nero. Saves a lot of work. Even with Shrink, the RB/CCE input can be utilized in the File mode for encoding and then the RB/CCE output files can be loaded into Shrink and the Shrink output set to ISO to auto burn with DVDD. AnyDVD wouldn't have a thing to do with that part of the process. Besides, one of the nice things about using Shrink, it sometimes corrects file structure. There is no difference in the outcome and the initial files don't need the extra steps of being handled in drive simulators like Daemon.

brobear

15th July 2005, 07:12

mayhem2408
Are you using ISO or File mode when you rip to the HDD?

mayhem2408

15th July 2005, 08:29

Are you using ISO or File mode when you rip to the HDD?

Output to ISO image file mode is selected

winny

15th July 2005, 11:10

From my limited experience it doesn't seem to matter whether you rip to file or iso with dvdd. My tests show dvdrb 0.93.2 produces different output than rc1 or 2, and they both used the same iso ripped source file mounted in Daemon.

The one thing I do agree with is it's not a big deal, just a curiosity.

winny

15th July 2005, 11:16

O/T. @brobear. i used to use nero for burning dvds but I got tired of downloading 20meg updates for it every other week and was wary of bug reports from other users (I personally never experienced a problem with it).

However, I do find the dvdd to be simple and very reliable for the job. I wouldn't claim it to be better than nero, it's just a case of individual preference.

winny

15th July 2005, 11:18

One thing to add to the Anydvd problem with dvdrb iso. If I use dvdremake pro to postprocess the DVDFILES folder (rmoving menu buttons etc), then the final output generated works fine with Anydvd.

Curiouser and curiouser... :)

winny

15th July 2005, 11:24

@brobear. I've read your explanation of using dvdshrink etc.
Just to clarify, the point being made isn't that Anydvd interferes with dvdrb or the iso creation. Simply that the final disk when loaded triggers a message from Anydvd about not being mastered correctly.

We're all convinced it's a false positive message because the disk plays fine on standalones. We could (or should?) all turn a blind eye to it, but I prefer to know why things happen wherever possible.

brobear

15th July 2005, 20:58

Winny
There is nothing wrong with individual preferences. I prefer not to do the extra handling associated with loading and/or creating the ISO files. CopyToDVD is actually my current choice of apps for burning the encoded files from RB. All I have to do is click on the RB output (Video_ts file) and select CopyToDVD from the menu that pops up. You don't even have to open the program, just click and go. Also, I only intended for those having problems to shift to the file mode to see if that helps. I've heard of very few people having problems with file mode. In fact the count is 0 for anything directly related to the use of the file system itself. If one is not experiencing problems and is happy with what they're doing, there is no need to switch.

One of the things I try to observe is not trying to discourage people from doing what works for them, even if the method may be somewhat convoluted. That's the individuals choice. I try to help people do things in the most direct and efficient manner possible. Anytime I go off track, I appreciate someone showing me a better way; especially when it may improve quality or make a noticable difference in time. I've done a lot of backups. Anything that can save 5 to 10 minutes, you can multiply by a few hundred and then you can appreciate the time savings.

Looking directly at what you're doing, there is no fault with it and I never implied there was. As long as a person doesn't get any errors, ripping in ISO mode is just as good as working in File mode. DVDD rips both equally well. The point was that some people seem to be experiencing some faults while using AnyDVD with the setup. The only fault I can find is if one has to use Shrink to change a file to ISO and then burn with DVDD. It's just a waste of time when the file could be burned with another app like those I mentioned. Then as stated, it's user choice. I was just pointing out the different options for beginners who may not be aware of them.

brobear

15th July 2005, 21:12

Winny
Answered page 2 and then noticed you added more on page 3.

We're all convinced it's a false positive message because the disk plays fine on standalones. We could (or should?) all turn a blind eye to it, but I prefer to know why things happen wherever possible.

Once the files are ripped and I see my software and standalone players handle them, I could care less what the decryption software has to say at that point (it plays).

Don't guess it hurts anything to impress on us what I already stated, which should be obvious to most users. As far as I'm concerned, if it plays, I'm not going to worry about it, especially since AnyDVD isn't intended for use with backups that have already been decrypted and encoded. I don't think Island Thunder would even be interested in discussing a trivial quirk that occurs after AnyDVD has accomplished what it was intended for. If it's a nuisance, I'd suggest turning the AnyDVD off after using it for its intended purpose. When/if you ever find what's triggering the false positive, let us know. However, I doubt it will make a lot of difference as long as the app functions properly. Don't get me wrong, I'm curious. Just not to the point I'm going to waste a lot of time trying to find a solution for something that doesn't really cause a problem.

sneaker_ger

16th July 2005, 13:57

I'm also having some issues with DVD RB 1.0 RC2 and the German Star Wars Episode II PAL DVD.
The film has two angles - so you can watch the disc with the scrolling text in the intro in English or German.
I ripped the DVD with DVD Decrypter and chose "Movie only" in DVD RB. When I try to watch the DVD with MediaPlayerClassic the movie starts fine, but the scene in which the text scrolls through space is skipped.
Trying to reauthor the movie in DVDShrink gave me an error: "DVDShrink encountered an error and cannot continue. Invalid DVD navigation structure".
The movie plays just fine in PowerDVD. Do you think it's the problem mayhem2408 has?

Sophoclesdrf

16th July 2005, 16:53

sneaker_ger

Just about anything will play fine with PowerDVD. Below is a link to Mark's Tray Player, it emulates a standalone player, which makes it good for determining if a movies compliant before you burn.

Are you receiving any error messages. If you're going to use Shrink for re authoring it's usually best to use it before encoding. I also seem to recall that mayhem2408 also received an error with a non movie mode back up. Have you tried to make a full backup of StarWars?

http://www.darkframe.de/SetupDVDTrayPlayerPro250.exe

brobear

16th July 2005, 20:58

I've also noticed differences between the way things play on the PC software and the standalone players. Sophoclesdrf's mention of using the Tray player is a good quick test to check the playability of the DVD files that have been encoded. When in doubt record to an RW, if your standalone supports that format. Many of the newer players do now. Then, if it plays the way you intended, burn a permanent backup.

sneaker_ger

17th July 2005, 14:59

Mark's Tray Player also skips the scene with the scrolling text, exactly like MediaPlayerClassic (Maybe they use the same filters?).
I did not really want to reauthor it with DVDShrink - I just wanted to test if it works right which it does not.
I would not burn this one even if it worked on my standalone player, because there is obviously something wrong with the DVD DVD-RB built and no one can guarantee that it will work on my next standalone. This post is more an error report than a help request for me.

brobear

17th July 2005, 21:11

sneaker_ger
Sure jdobbs will appreciate it. He'd have to find a German version of Star Wars like yours to check that one out. RB has worked flawlessly with the Region 1 version I have.

jdobbs

18th July 2005, 12:06