Help with Subtitles via Stream Processing (DVDDecrypter/AutoGK)

[jrutz]

I have a newbie question for everyone:

I'm trying to convert some DVDs I have to Xvid MPEG-4 format, so I can watch them on my PSP. The process is pretty self explanatory, except for one thing. I'm converting some anime and foreign films, and I'm doing the following:

- Using DVD Decrypter in IFO mode
- Select the PGC and Stream Processing Enabled to only rip Japanese audio track and English subtitles

I load the ripped VTS file in AutoGK via File Input mode. It will show me the audio track but it says "No Subtitles" in the audio track. I can verify this if I load up the VTS file in PowerDVD, because no subtitles are available there either.

However, if I use a subtitle editing program, like SubRip, it finds the subtitle track in the VTS file.

So my question is, how do I get the subtitles available so I can select them in AutoGK?

Thanks!

Jeremy

[ammck55]

Moving to the (Auto)GK Forum, where, hopefully, you'll get more action than we gave you in Noobs.:)

ammck55

[jrutz]

Thanks ammck55, but I don't think it's an AutoGK issue. I don't even see the subtitles when I play the VTS file in PowerDVD. My gut tells me I need to recreate the IFO files, maybe in IFOEdit.

Perhaps it's a DVD Decrypter or IFO issue? But thanks for the attention nonetheless.

Jeremy

[manono]

Hi-

So my question is, how do I get the subtitles available so I can select them in AutoGK?

Don't use Streams Processing in DVD Decrypter to strip them out.

[jrutz]

Hi-

So my question is, how do I get the subtitles available so I can select them in AutoGK?

Don't use Streams Processing in DVD Decrypter to strip them out.

Cool - so you are saying I should just rip the selected VTS with all audio/subtitle streams (i.e., Stream Processing unchecked)?

Hopefully that will help. Thanks!

Jeremy

[manono]

Hi-

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Unlike, say, DGIndex which just copies the audio stream(s) out, leaving it also still in the original Vobs, or VobSub Configure which copies out the subs (and converts them into the idx/sub format), leaving them also still in the original Vobs, Streams Processing in DVD Decrypter removes them for good. AutoGK still needs the subs in the Vobs in order to process them (through VobSub Configure, I think). Maybe there is one, but I know of no program that can process those sub Vobs that DVD Decrypter gives you.

[jrutz]

Great, thanks again!

Jeremy

[jrutz]

Hmmm...

Time to resurrect this thread. I tried the above - IFO mode, stream processing disabled - and it still didn't let me select subtitles, both in AutoGK, and PowerDVD when I play the file. I even went as far as to rip the entire DVD (no file splitting) and still the same result.

I know it's gotta be something I'm doing when ripping the DVD, but what? BTW, I'm using DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0.

Any other ideas? Thanks!

Jeremy

[jggimi]

Post the Stream Information text file that is produced by DVD Decrypter. It may have more information to help diagnose your trouble.

[jrutz]

Here you go:

0x20 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 01: Normal] / LBA: 45277 / PTS: 00:01:43.036 / Delay: 12779ms
0x21 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 02: Normal] / LBA: 45278 / PTS: 00:01:43.036 / Delay: 12779ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 40062 / PTS: 00:01:30.185 / Delay: -71ms
0x81 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / Japanese / LBA: 40063 / PTS: 00:01:30.185 / Delay: -71ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x480 (NTSC) / 4:3 / LBA: 40056 / PTS: 00:01:30.256 / Delay: 0ms


Thanks,

Jeremy

[manono]

So this is a multi-episode Anime series, right? And which episode(s) are you doing? All of them? Does this problem occur with all episodes, or only the ones after the first episode?

The reason I ask is that sometimes for Anime, the delays are messed up for every episode after the first one, and it will require you to readjust the delay in the idx file of the subs. For example, for the 2nd episode, you'll have to adjust by the amount it says in that Stream Info file, plus the length of the first episode. The fact that the episode(s) you're playing in PowerDVD after having been decrypted aren't showing subs also leads me to conclude that this is happening. I'm also assuming that all the subs for all episodes are showing properly when you play the original DVD.

If you plan on keeping the subs external, and using DirectVobSub to play them after AutoGK does its job, it's an easy matter to fix them later on. If you are "burning" them into the video, it gets a lot trickier if using AutoGK.

[jrutz]

With this example, it's a multi-episode Anime series. As a test, I only ripped a single chapter, i.e. right after the opening. However, I also tested by ripping the entire DVD with no file splitting and still have the same problem.

As a matter of fact, I even tried this with an Asian movie, ripping the entire main movie, and still couldn't get to the subtitles.

And I don't know if this matters, but when I play the file in PowerDVD, the option for subtitles is greyed-out. I don't get the option to turn them on/off or select the sub stream. Meaning, it doesn't recognize that subtitles are even available. But like I said, if I use SubRip, I can view the subs just fine. Would a delay in the subs cause this?

Yes, all subs show correctly with the original DVD.

Thanks again!

Jeremy

[jrutz]

Okay, so I think I figured out my problem...which leads to another...

I created IFO files in IFOEdit for the extracted VTS file and voila - subtitles were selectable from AutoGK! So I converted my file, and the end-result AVI file had the subtitles! Yay (so I thought)!

Then I ran the AVI file throught both PSPVideo9 and 3GP Converter, and the end result has the subtitles removed from the video. I was so close!!!

Any ideas on why this would be happening? Thanks!

Jeremy

[manono]

Hi-

I have no idea what PSPVideo9 or 3GP Converter are (don't bother telling me). Why don't you burn in the subs (now that you have them) when using AutoGK? Won't that then guarantee that they're in whatever PSPVideo9 or 3GP Converter produce?

[easy2Bcheesy]

I am having exactly the same problem. I'm looking to back-up my DVDs with AutoGK and it works wonders on everything... except subtitles.

I'm only looking to burn-in forced subtitles (such as Jabba dialogue in Return of the Jedi) but am finding that on DVD Decrypted single file VOBs, the subtitles do not come up as an option. I'm not using stream processing - I'm just dumping the main movie as a complete VOB. Certainly, AutoGK detects all of the different audio channels, but just doesn't see the subs.

The subtitles were definitely included in the rip... I'm using the FILE option rather than the DVD option by the way as this I just want the movie file encoded, not menus or extras etc.

[manono]

Hi-

5.9 What is the difference between DVD and File Mode?

- DVD mode looks for stream info file to be present (that describes audio, video and subs streams). File mode allows you to select just file(s) (even VOB files). Subtitle info is not available in file mode.

From the AutoGK FAQ. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=72679)

I didn't quite get the reason you're using File input. Using DVD input doesn't mean that you'll get menus and/or extras. Just decrypt the movie you want with DVD Decrypter's IFO Mode, tick the DVD input box in AutoGK, and take it from there.

[easy2Bcheesy]

Cheers, that'll teach me :D I'll give it a go now :)

[easy2Bcheesy]

Hmmmm still having zero luck adding burned in forced subtitles onto an XviD AVI via AutoGK.

I'm ripping with DVDD, retaining all subs, using AutoGK in DVD mode.

I've specified forced subtitles only, and tried both letterbox/wide variations of both the normal subs stream and letterbox and wide 'forced' options at the bottom of the list of subtitles. I've even ticked the box on the hidden options screen related to subtitles.

I'm using R2 Star Wars as a basis to get this right and must have encoded it 5-6 times now with the same result - still no forced subs burnt in to the AVI no matter which selections I use :( I'm quickly checking whether it has worked or not by skipping to the Han Solo/Greedo and Han/Jabba conversations invariably to much disappointment.

Am I missing something very simple here?

[jrutz]

I'm getting the same thing as you - good thing, I'm in good company with a mod! :)

For some reason, my first try had subs on the AVI output from AutoGK. When I resized it using PSPVideo9 (and 3GP Converter - the reason I use both is so I can resize the AVI for the PSP max resolution), I lost the subtitles.

I deleted that first try, my mistake. Now whenever I re-create my AVI with AutoGK, even though I select my subtitle stream it won't show up on the output AVI. Weird. Why the first time but not now?

Jeremy

[iNFO-DVD]

I'm using R2 Star Wars as a basis to get this right and must have encoded it 5-6 times now with the same result - still no forced subsEven if you don't like the program give 'avi.NET' a try, you can always delete it after. When loading in your VOB file it will index it straight away allowing you to preview it.

You'll be able to see the subtitles on your preview thus you'll know whether you have the correct selection before commiting to the conversion.

For subtitles to work you'll need the IFO file and for correct subtitle program chain selection make sure you ticked 'Include PGC Number'

[manono]

Hi-

Hmmmm still having zero luck adding burned in forced subtitles onto an XviD AVI via AutoGK.

That's because they're not Forced Subs. A Forced Subtitle by definition is a small part of a larger subtitle stream, and is marked as Forced. That is, if the Alien talk was part of the larger complete English subs, they'd be Forced. But in this case (the Star Wars movies), they have their own sub stream(s), and aren't Forced. For the R1 Return Of The Jedi DVD, they are the 3rd and 4th streams (the 2 "SubPicture 02" in the Stream Information.txt file). I decrypted my copy of Return Of The Jedi to have a look. So, uncheck "Display only Forced Subtitles" and try again. Back on the main screen they'll be the first set of "English/Normal Captions: Wide" and "English/Normal Captions: Letterboxed".

This isn't always true. Sometimes they really are Forced, which can make finding the damn things so frustrating. One way around the problem is to use Subtitle Configure outside of AutoGK to get all the sub streams at once (you can use the Subtitle Tab in GKnot to do this), and then to open them up one by one in Sub Resynch. Either look for the Forced Sub flagging, or look for the separate Sub Stream that's real small in comparison to the others. You can also click on each line to get the dialog. Then, after you've figured it out, go back into AutoGK and set it up based on what you've learned.

[easy2Bcheesy]

Thanks manono - I'll look into this. The LOTR EEs and R2 Die Another Day are other disks that'll require these techniques.

AVI.net sounds good as a more immediate preview tool, unfortunately with RC4 I'm getting Internal Error 2908 and then Internal Error 1935 when installing, the latter of which causes it to terminate :(

[jrutz]

For subtitles to work you'll need the IFO file and for correct subtitle program chain selection make sure you ticked 'Include PGC Number'

Quick test proved that this worked for me. Thanks!!!

Jeremy

[iNFO-DVD]

R2 Die Another Day are other disks that'll require these techniques.

AVI.net sounds good as a more immediate preview tool, unfortunately with RC4 I'm getting Internal Error 2908 and then Internal Error 1935 when installing, the latter of which causes it to terminate :(

I have the R2 Die Another Day (UK) (2 disks) the forced subtitles for the English track are the first track with the 'FORCED: ON' option, I know because I've probably done it 100 times as this was a test disk for avi.NET.

Sorry about the installation giving errors, no ones mentioned this before, mind you, I did change the installer slightly in RC4 so it did a Windows XP check, as avi.NET is Windows XP only.

If you have XP, here's RELEASE CANDIDATE 3 (http://www.clonead.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/aviprogram/avi.NET-RC3.zip) if you want to see if this installs.

Quick test proved that this worked for me. Thanks!!!

Good to hear :)

[woah!]

I have the R2 Die Another Day (UK) (2 disks) the forced subtitles for the English track are the first track with the 'FORCED: ON' option, I know because I've probably done it 100 times as this was a test disk for avi.NET.

Sorry about the installation giving errors, no ones mentioned this before, mind you, I did change the installer slightly in RC4 so it did a Windows XP check, as avi.NET is Windows XP only.

If you have XP, here's RELEASE CANDIDATE 3 (http://www.clonead.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/aviprogram/avi.NET-RC3.zip) if you want to see if this installs.



Good to hear :)



i found i have to uninstall the previous install completely from the control panel and install the newer version afterwards, due to getting an error when trying to install over a previous version.

[iNFO-DVD]

yes that's correct. Each version is a full install which requires un-install of previous.