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DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 06:00
Hi all,

There was a little problem with the torrents I posted yesterday, so just in case you had any trouble downloading them, here are the links:

Revelations, a film by Star Wars fans (http://trailers.divx.com/torrents/Revelations.divx.torrent)
The all new, souped-up Last Man Standing (http://trailers.divx.com/torrents/LastManStanding.divx.torrent)

Once again, you'll need a BitTorrent client (http://www.bittornado.com) and a copy of DivX Player 6 (http://www.divx.com/divx/create) to download and play these.

Sagittaire
16th June 2005, 12:57
revelation sample (in your site) is an .avi file with menu, multi-sub and multi-audio (perhabs divx file renommed with avi extension)

be carrefull DXN ... now it's .divx file ... lol

DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 16:46
It is not an AVI file, it is a DivX media file! :) Actually, like AVI, we have some similar RIFF structures to enable backwards compatibility with DivX Certified devices. The format looks AVI-like, and you should be able to pull up the main title in apps like VDub, for example, but we do 101 special little things to make the magic work.

Don't rename your DivX media files .avi, they're not the same, this would be a bad thing to do ;)

Hyper Shinchan
16th June 2005, 17:30
isn't it the same? It seems to be an AVI 2.0 (open DML) file.

stephanV
16th June 2005, 17:32
RIFF Menu is nowhere in the AVI specs... its not the same. Video is the same as AVI, audio is, the rest is different.

Hyper Shinchan
16th June 2005, 17:56
But why a new format? MP4 supports all these features (multiple audio tracks, multiple subtitles, menu and interactivity) . Why doesn't use it? I've read on the DivX forum that it is for the compatibility with the old DivX certified player, but if you don't change a format the things will remain the same forever (it's the same to say "I don't make an AVC encoder because the old player won't support it", it's totally insane).
I think that it's more important the image of the new format, than the compatibility, for the DivX developpers.

stephanV
16th June 2005, 18:45
Perhaps it was easier to extend AVI, than to implement mp4...

I think at this point the question "why?" is already to late. If you dont want it, no one is preventing you from making mp4s using all the features you want.

bond
16th June 2005, 19:11
i think there is a consensus that .divx can be labelled as "extended avi"

as stephan pointed out: audio and video is compatible to avi, the rest isnt really

Hyper Shinchan
17th June 2005, 03:37
Perhaps it was easier to extend AVI, than to implement mp4...

I think at this point the question "why?" is already to late. If you dont want it, no one is preventing you from making mp4s using all the features you want.
Yes, it's too late. What a pity!

thefluffy
17th June 2005, 08:09
While the mp4 file format supported similar features, such as multiple audio/subtitles, chapters and interactive menus, it has never gained market adoption. Why ?

The complexity (and therefore cost) of supporting the mp4 file format in consumer electronic devices is ridiculously high. This makes devices such as the $55 Philips DVP642 impossible to exist. We spend considerable amount of time researching what features content viewers (that’s you !) want to enhance your viewing experience. We take these features and work extremely hard at making them possible in existing low-cost consumer electronic devices.

YayKitties
17th June 2005, 09:14
The complexity (and therefore cost) of supporting the mp4 file format in consumer electronic devices is ridiculously high. This makes devices such as the $55 Philips DVP642 impossible to exist.

Umm, hi.

See bond's post here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=510974#post510974 and speed_X's post here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=511798#post511798

Just looks like AAC support is missing.

Hyper Shinchan
17th June 2005, 17:19
It's not a problem of cost. Xoro players are sold at very popular price, and I don't know about Rijtech RJ-1500dvxII, but I don't think that it's too expensive.
Anyway the new DVD/DivX player that will handle DivX 6 will be more expensive.
Philips DVP 642/639 is a big garbage. It's based on the ESS Vibratto II chipset, and it can handle MP4 (HSD 310, 415 and RJ 1599dvxII are Vibratto II too), but it can decode AAC audio! It seems that there are also big problem with MP4 with MP3 audio. It's a useless player.....

DigitAl56K
18th June 2005, 09:29
It's easy to go into narrow-vision mode when you pick apart individual technologies that make up a format in fine granular detail, as well as individual device models, etc.

For some of our reasoning behind the DivX Media Format, take a look at this post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=674037#post674037

Hyper Shinchan
18th June 2005, 18:50
It's easy to go into narrow-vision mode when you pick apart individual technologies that make up a format in fine granular detail, as well as individual device models, etc.

For some of our reasoning behind the DivX Media Format, take a look at this post:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=674037#post674037
It was the fluffy that was talking about DVP 642, it wasn't me.....
These individual devices can become more and more spread in the next months.
When you started with DivX certification there weren't a lot of DivX certified player.....

mbr76
19th June 2005, 12:52
Hi all,

There was a little problem with the torrents I posted yesterday, so just in case you had any trouble downloading them, here are the links:

Revelations, a film by Star Wars fans (http://trailers.divx.com/torrents/Revelations.divx.torrent)
The all new, souped-up Last Man Standing (http://trailers.divx.com/torrents/LastManStanding.divx.torrent)

Once again, you'll need a BitTorrent client (http://www.bittornado.com) and a copy of DivX Player 6 (http://www.divx.com/divx/create) to download and play these.

Just tested above media files on my Philips DVP630 and they play without problems. English subtitles can be turned on or off too :-) .

I hope Philips will release a new firmware update so that the menu option of the .divx container format will be supported too.

Good work !.

numaios
20th June 2005, 03:21
Amazing!

Believe it or not, but I've tried to play a *.divx file downloaded from DivX web site (Star Wars Revelation) in my Kiss DP-1000 hardware player and... it could read the subtitles!! I could even switch them on/off with the Subtitle button. In addition, the font was different from the usual one, the one that appears with *.sub or *.srt files.

Any explanation to this?

Thanks.

Bathrone
20th June 2005, 03:31
I can confirm my recent build of XBMC played revelations just fine

SeeMoreDigital
20th June 2005, 09:40
Is there any other way of obtaining a DivX6 download of Revelations...

The BitTorrent don't seem to be working for me... I've been connected for 7 mins and downloaded nothing... And I have a 2Mbps connection :scared:


Cheers

Big Den
20th June 2005, 15:12
Last i looked it was on DivX.com

SeeMoreDigital
20th June 2005, 16:32
Last i looked it was on DivX.comSadly, it seems the link on DivX.com bounces you back to the BitTorrent download site :(

DigitAl56K
20th June 2005, 18:44
Guys, try the link at the top of this page.