DVD2SVCD didn't use correct cut point why ?

[dave268]

I did a backup of "National Treasure"
I left out the last 2 chapters (credits I didn't want to waste bitrate on)

my bitrate tab settings are:

Between 0 and 75 mins. Use 1 CD size 800
Between 75 and 150 mins. Use 2 CD size 800
Between 150 and 225 mins. Use 3 CD size 800
Between 225 and 300 mins. Use 4 CD size 800
Between 300 and 375 mins. Use 5 CD size 800
Between 375 and 9999 mins. Use 6 CD size 800

Max set at 2600 and Max Avg. set at 2600, min 300 min avg 800.

These settings have previously always resulted in the Muxed_File00.mpg
894 or 895 MB and theCD_Image_File_CD1.bin @ 804-807 MB

807 MB is the largest CD_Image_File_CD1.bin I've been able to fit onto a so called 700 MB CD

----> But this time the resulting 2nd files (the 2nd one) was too large to fit
onto a so called 700 MB CD



The bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg was 794 MB
The bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg was 798 MB

Which resulted in

the CD_Image_File_CD1.bin @ 805 MB
the CD_Image_File_CD2.bin @ 809 MB

So, What the heck happened, and why. How do I prevent this in the future. ?Did choosing to skip the end credits cause this to happen somehow ?


My DVD2SVCD Log file:

WNASPI32.DLL 4.6.0.1021
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- 6/13/2005 8:01:46 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.2 build 3
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Initializing
- D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_0.ifo
- D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_1.vob
- D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_2.vob
- D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_3.vob
- D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_4.vob
- D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_5.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 6/13/2005 8:01:50 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -OM=0 -EXIT -OF=[D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_1.vob,D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_2.vob,D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_3.vob,D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_4.vob,D:\A\D\National Treasure\Source\vts_01_5.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 6/13/2005 8:05:31 AM
- Free on drive D: 39778.45 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: D:\A\D\National Treasure\Audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3

Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 6/13/2005 8:10:42 AM
- Free on drive D: 39388.57 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: D:\A\D\National Treasure\Audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "D:\A\D\NATION~1\Audio\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "D:\A\D\NATION~1\Audio\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m s )
Audio conversion of D:\A\D\National Treasure\Audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 6/13/2005 8:51:04 AM
- Free on drive D: 39277.17 mb
- Video Encoding using QuEnc
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StreamSectors: 1667869728
AudioSectors: 118496112
VideoPAPO: 24000624
ScanOffsetBytes: 262545
SeqAligningBytes: 16686193
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 1508424245.67
Seconds: 7307.22
CalcMPEGStream: 1508424245.67
Frames: 175030
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 2
Cut point 795.00

Executing QuEnc. Commandline:
"D:\A\My Downloads\QUEnc 0.61 SVCD Encoder\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe" -i "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Video\AviSynth_Script_file.avs" -o "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Video\Encoded_Video_QuEnc_NTSC.mpv" -b 1651 -maxbitrate 2600 -1 -gopsize 12 -maxbframes 2 -dc 10 -auto -close -mpeg2 -trell -nocgop -nointerlaced -extreme -hq -scene -noqlb -aspectratio 4:3
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- 6/13/2005 2:05:08 PM
- Free on drive D: 37840.02 mb
- Video Pulldown
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Executing Pulldown. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe" "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Video\Encoded_Video_QuEnc_NTSC.mpv" "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv" -prog_frames p
Video pulldown finished.

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- 6/13/2005 2:11:22 PM
- Free on drive D: 36402.89 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 6/13/2005 2:11:24 PM
- Free on drive D: 36402.88 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 6/13/2005 2:11:27 PM
- Free on drive D: 36402.88 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 6/13/2005 2:11:30 PM
- Free on drive D: 36402.88 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 5
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 5 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3638 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 3643
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 5 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 6/13/2005 2:20:26 PM
- Free on drive D: 34809.71 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3643.246 seconds D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
3656.960 seconds D:\A\D\National Treasure\Muxed\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 6/13/2005 2:21:41 PM
- Free on drive D: 34809.70 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 8

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="D:\A\D\NATION~1\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="D:\A\D\NATION~1\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "D:\A\D\NATION~1\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 6/13/2005 2:23:44 PM
- Free on drive D: 34004.23 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 11

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"D:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="D:\A\D\NATION~1\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="D:\A\D\NATION~1\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "D:\A\D\NATION~1\VCDXBU~2.XML"
Image creation finished.

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- 6/13/2005 2:25:54 PM
- Free on drive D: 33194.63 mb
- Conversion done!
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[Nick]

I would try 2-pass encoding in QuEnc.
I notice in both your threads you are getting funny filesizes.
I suspect with 2-pass encoding, although it will take longer, filesizes should be more accurate.

[dave268]

I opened the .ifo file with IfoEdit v0.96 and it lists the non-existant last 2 chapters that originally had the end credits. Would this screw up the estimated file size cut point some how ? I tried to delete those 2 rows by highlighting them, then hitting the delete key - that did nothing. Can I delete those last 2 rows describing the end credit chapters somehow ? thanks.

[Nick]

Your findings from the IFO are quite normal and have no effect of the cutpoint.
As I say, try two-pass encoding in QuEnc.

[btx306]

Having the same problem, and it setup for 2 pass. Even tryed the settings that dave268 had. Still not worknig. help...

[ralphthedog]

If you are only oversizing by a couple of megs try lowering the CD sizes in the bitrate tab from 800 to 795(you can type in any number you like), that will give you a little more margin for error.

[btx306]

Thanks ralphthedog. so that will let it go the extra 2-5mins more? Thanks again.

If you are only oversizing by a couple of megs try lowering the CD sizes in the bitrate tab from 800 to 795(you can type in any number you like), that will give you a little more margin for error.

[ralphthedog]

btx306, this will only make the images a tiny bit smaller so you won't be as likely to suffer images you can't burn to CD, it does not change how many minutes of film fits on the disc (unless you are using CBR).

You can alter how many minutes per disc etc. in the bitrate tab though, but more minutes on a disc = lower quality.....