Censor version and Uncensor version

[mp3boy]

hi guys
here in my muslim country there are extremesit who always want to have censored version, so I was thinking to add a menu to already authored dvd and let them choose censor version and uncensor version.

I had a dvd movie called Meet the fockers who had actually two TTN made from single video stream, I dont know exactly how but I assume it is possible to do so with PGCEdit, I dont want to screw the chapter point too.

please help me in this matter, it will be very helpful
thanks.

[jeanl]

What exactly do you mean? You want another version which skips parts of the movie?
If you plan on skipping entire cells, then that's easy with PgcEdit, you can make another PGC that only uses the cells you want. But most likely you'll want to skip small pieces of cells, and for that there's no solution other than reauthoring. Of course, you can edit your DVD, remove the stuff you don't like, with vobblanker, but then you'll have only 1 version on your DVD. To have the 2 versions coexist on the same DVD you need to reauthor (for example, by demuxing and remuxing), adding chapter points at every edit point (start and end of segments you want to remove), then re-import in PgcEdit... Not a straightforward task.
Jeanl

[mp3boy]

thanks for your reply .

what you said is exactly what I want, so the main question is when I import the second version and have chapter points at those places in new authored vob files with of course many more new chapters. I will program to go continuesly in first pgc (uncensored) and the second one (skip those small maded cells)

but how to expand the dvd into more cells and using ifoupdate to update those cells values?

[jeanl]

but how to expand the dvd into more cells and using ifoupdate to update those cells values?
One way is to demux and remux, using muxman for example. If you have multi-angles, that might be a bit of a pain. If you don't, then it'll be easy. Demux all streams with PgcDemux (very good, you can also get it to output the existing chapter points), and remux using MuxMan, specifying the chapter points by hand.
jeanl

[mp3boy]

lets say in original stream which I will have 20 chapter originally, and I will add 5 chapters to make my censorship, so it will force the pgc_A to have 25chapter? or there is a way to skip that?

[jeanl]

Yes, you can group several cells in a single chapter. Look at the PGC edit panel in PgcEdit (double click on a PGC) you'll see that you can have several cells per chapter. When you remux with 25 chapters, you'll create 25 cells, you can then group them in 20 chapters if that's what you want...
But I have to admit, it's a strange idea, that idea of yours... If you object to that censorship (you called them "extremists"), why are you playing their hand?
jeanl
jeanl

[mp3boy]

well, they're saying you're forced not to watch those scene and they want to force you their idea of watching movies, but I'd say I just want to make ppl an option for those ppl who dont want to see sexual scenes and for those ppl who want to see the movie completely.

I try to fit this thing and I'll get back to you again.

but just what I do now for adding new subtitle with dvd maestro I remux everything and I import chapter point, subs and use ifoupdate to fix VTS, and now after I add more chapters to it, how exactly IfoUpdate will behave?

thanks

[jeanl]

mmm I'm not sure, I don't use IfoUpdate... Now that you have new cells in your title, I'm not sure what the easiest way to import that in the original DVD is. You can certainly use Vobblanker (you can import a PGC with it), and I suspect you can also use PGCEdit's Import VTST title (blank the original one and import the new one?)...
jeanl

[mp3boy]

what I managed to fix it by chaning VTS_Set cell address table by ifoedit and fixing number of the cells in pgc to make it work

it is doing exactly what I want two pgc one cencored and one complete but there is two problems,

- one is the time for censor version is 12 minutes more than complete times which is suppose to be less
- second at the point that I cut to next seen it is getting pixelate for half second and the censored pgc does not allow time moving like scrubbing the timeline bar in powerdvd by mouse.

thanks

[jeanl]

If your chapter point isn't at the beginning of a closed GOP, you will see pixellation. You have to make sure that your chapter points, the cell boundaries, are at closed GOP. You won't be able to have seamless playback, also, because of the jump required to skip a cell (and also because of the way audio is muxed in) but that will just be a (hopefully brief) pause in the playback. The total time of the movie is probably calculated by summing the duration of the PGCs, and in each PGC by adding the durations of each cell. The duration of the cells have to be adjusted in the PGCs, IfoUpdate maybe can do that too? I'm not sure whether a IFOEdit mock strip does it.
The fast-forward fast-rewind problem comes from a missing/wrong table in your IFOs. There was a post on this very forum a couple days ago about exactly this. Check it out...
jeanl

[mp3boy]

the time issue is fixed after removing extra cells.

but the problem for pixaletion and time seeking (not fast-forward rewind) is not solved yet... I'm sure the vts table is correct now and my original pgc (uncensored) is playing fine.

I could not find the thread you mentioned, can you give me a link please?

thanks

[jeanl]

The pixellation requires remuxing and making sure your edit points are at closed GOPs. (you could also mark the first GOP at the cut points as broken, but that's a lot of hand tweaking in VobEdit).
The thread is here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=95466)... The table you need to fix is the TMAPTI table, which vobblanker can do for you, but the table has to be large enough to begin with.
jeanl