Decrypter and AutoGK

[dap_werewolf]

I'm sure that this thread might be locked by moderators as well, however, maybe one or two will read it. The same discussion as to DVDDecrypter's death may be going on in the Doom9 thread on decrypting, but perhaps there are others, like myself, who read the AutoGK sections of the forum only because it is what interests us, and I was not able to find a thread on this particular forum about the demise of DVDDecryper, and it is not even the main issue that I wish to address. If we post on the decrypting thread, asking what will now happen with AutoGK, we will probably get sent to the AutoGK forum, which would be the logical step for forum moderators to take.

DVDDecrypter is used by many for many purposes, and even though it is maddening that the developer has been shut down for the great work he has done, many other people who use it will find substitutes for what they use it for. But as we all know AutoGK was designed to be used ONLY with DVDDecrypter, and that is the discussion that we should be interested in on this forum. We can use different rippers with Gordian Knot, but not so with AutoGK.

I hope I don't infuriate any moderators by broaching the subject again, and of course it's your right to lock the thread, but I simply thought it was worth trying to reopen the discussion. I apologize in advance if I shouldn't have.

[unskinnyboy]

Take it easy till DVDDecrypter stops working anymore on some newer copy-protected disks, OK? And when that happens, it is not just the AutoGK users who need to worry, but a whole slew of users using a variety of tools with DVDDecrypter being the first link in the chain for their backups. Then maybe len0x can tweak his code a bit to allow any other decrypting tool (provided any other tool comes upto speed). Till then, leave len0x alone so he may work on more issues which require his attention.

Also, if you search hard enough in this forum, there are many threads on how you can fake the input of DVDDecrypter so that AutoGK will accept it. I myself have answered a couple of them.

[jggimi]

Dap, it could be interpreted that your first thread broke forum rules 3 and 8. 3 = wrong forum, since A/GK has a development forum where development issues are addressed. 8 = cross post, it could be argued that you are splitting the discussion into multiple forums. Rule 8 exists because we don't want discussions split into multiple threads inappropriately -- searching the forum for information is difficult enough as it is.

Now, this thread could be construed as violating rule 16 as well, since you are raising this issue here against my prior direction.

But I'm not furious. I should have PMed you about it, explaining my action in more detail, and eliminated your obvious concern. For not offering that option to you, I apologize.

And unskinnyboy is correct -- there have been a number of posts about simulating the output of DVDDecrypter. The most recent is http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=93978&highlight=decrypter

[dap_werewolf]

Have you ever thought about being a lawyer jggimi? You've convinced me and put me in my place, nonetheless I'm going to risk putting in two more of my cents, tho I'm by no means rich...

And unskinnyboy is correct -- there have been a number of posts about simulating the output of DVDDecrypter. The most recent is http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=93978&highlight=decrypter

Yes, I know there have been posts about simulating decrypter, however, if we need to start simulating anything then it's not going to exactly be "Auto" anymore and not the wonderful tool for newbies that made it so great because of its ease. I use Gordian Knot more often than AutoGK personally, but AutoGK is great for those who want to rip and encode but don't want to know how it works, or simply, uhm, aren't bright enough... (And those are the kinds of users that usually come to me, just like they do here.)

I understand about giving Len0x a break though, I don't mean to push so hard for an answer, but I woke up this morning to three emails on the issue already, and jumped to post here before I had my 2 morning pots of coffee (and I should NEVER do anything before then).

So anyway, thx for the answers, and excuse my caffeine deprivation hastiness. :D

[len0x]

Well, autogk being more than just VOB convertion tool doesn't have to rely on DVDDecrypter output. Audio streams are detected anyway (without language description though) in file mode. Subs are a bit problematic. If someone wants to donate an IFO parsing code - I'd be happy to use it. Naming convention for the files should be kept though (PGCs and Angles) otherwise subs can't be processed properly...

[CWR03]

CladDVD works with Gordian Knot - perhaps it will work with AutoGK.

[unskinnyboy]

Anything will work with AutoGK (since they all decrypt & output VOBs), but the only thing is that AutoGK needs the IFO contents in a readable form to determine the input parameters like audio format(s), audio language(s), audio delay(s), subtitle language(s), it's delay etc.

DVDDecrypter makes it very easy for AutoGK in that it gives a stream_information.txt file, which AutoGK only need to parse thru and parsing a text file is damn easy. But if tomorrow DVDDecrypter becomes ineffective on all the new DVDs, then AutoGK is lost for its input parameter details. So whatever be the substitute which len0x uses should be able to produce a similiar output to what DVDDecrypter gives today (or atleast it should produce a decent log after ripping), or else AutoGK should be able to natively parse IFOs. Got it? :)

[tipsypenguin]

if you run something like anydvd in the background then DVDDecrypter will work forever.