Elecard XMuxer Pro

[Konstantin]

Elecard is happy to announce the availability of Elecard XMuxer Pro version 1.0. for online purchase. :)
Elecard XMuxer Pro is a great choice for those who want to exploit the cutting-edge technology implemented in easy to use products.
You can discuss this product on http://www.elecard.ru/forum/ and download it on http://www.elecard.com/products/xmux_pro.shtml

[Konstantin]

There was a new version of Elecard XMuxer Pro 1.1 beta with support MP4 file format. In a short time there will be available a release version.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks very for the updated information....

We need more tools with MP4 support :)

[Konstantin]

Bugs in some components are fixed, the updated version of Elecard XMuxer Pro 1.1 can be downloaded from our site:
_http://www.elecard.com/products/product.php?product_id=156

[bond]

Bugs in some components are fixed, the updated version of Elecard XMuxer Pro 1.1 can be downloaded from our site:
_http://www.elecard.com/products/product.php?product_id=156i assume its dshow based? last time i tested the elecard mp4 dshow muxer wasnt really stable and i sent my bug report to "lupus_aka_dan", but he never reported back whereas things got fixed

any link to a new standalone mp4 muxer filter? last version i had was
0.2.9.50929

[Konstantin]

Hello bond,
You are right, Elecard XMuxer Pro is based on DirectShow technologies. The current version of this product uses Elecard MP4 Multiplexer version 0.3.17.51028.

[Konstantin]

Elecard is happy to announce the availability of Elecard XMuxer Pro version 2.0. for online purchase.
http://www.elecard.com/products/products-pc/consumer/156/xmuxer-pro

[CruNcher]

Kostantin isn't it Mainconcept MP4 Multiplexer now ;) ?

[k-c-ksum]

trialed v1 and 2, cant get it it to detect ac3 in TS :(

[Konstantin]

Hi k-c-ksum,
Whether you could send me a small piece of stream that conatains AC3 track and has problem it the XMuxer Pro.

Please send me no more than 3 Mbytes file.(Kohanenko@mainconcept.ru).

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

I have similar problems. In one stream, version 2 detects the AC3 in transport and it plays OK in preview. But when I want to save the demuxed stream the GUI only allows me to specify MPA audio on output. I do that and then if I rename the saved stream to AC3 it plays.

With another transport stream, the video is not detected! This is pretty bad for a tool that bills itself as a professional muxer/demuxer.

Settings are not saved across invocations and I can't make DEC/HEX work at all.

All that I found in 10 minutes.

I also don't like this:

PID 189 ID 20

It should be:

Stream 189 PID 20

I'm very unhappy with this new version.

3MBytes is very small for a transport stream. Can I give you bigger ones via my FTP server?

[Konstantin]

Hi, neuron2,
If you wish to save the demuxed audio stream with .ac3 extension, you must to choose All files (*. *) in Save As dialog and to enter file name with extension necessary for you (for example audio.ac3).
It would be very good, if have laid out on FTP a file with which at you there were problems in our XMuxer Pro. For this purpose, please, contact the Elecard Technical Support Team: tsup@mainconcept.ru.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

Hi, neuron2,
If you wish to save the demuxed audio stream with .ac3 extension, you must to choose All files (*. *) in Save As dialog and to enter file name with extension necessary for you (for example audio.ac3).
It would be very good, if have laid out on FTP a file with which at you there were problems in our XMuxer Pro. For this purpose, please, contact the Elecard Technical Support Team: tsup@mainconcept.ru.

Best Regards
Konstantin. Why default to MPA when the program knows the stream is AC3? The poor user does NOT know the stream type is AC3 because the program does not tell him (unless he has used DGIndex to find out). Should the poor user guess the correct file extension to use?

I will contact your support.

[Konstantin]

I do not think, that extension of a file is of great importance. In the following version we shall make exhibiting necessary extension according to type of an input stream. Thanks that help to improve our software product.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

"I do not think, that extension of a file essentially."

Thanks for the reply but it makes no sense in English. I've sent my issues to your support group as you suggested.

[eb]

I am totaly unhappy with this XMuxer.
Try demux sample 50MB. I can make a shorter sample if needed

sample (ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/NRJ 12 HQ_2006-05-28_07-53-11.TS)

More details I'll present later.

eb

[Konstantin]

Hi ed

"I can make a shorter sample if needed"
Make it please (I think will be enough 5 – 10 Mb) then we can understand what a problem and to solve it as soon as possible.
Additional details also will be very useful to us.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[eb]

Below is shorter 7MB sample.

sample (ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl:eb@www.eb.enterpol.pl/NRJ 12 HQ_2006-05-28_08-54-21.TS)

Use VLC player to playback, there are two audio tracks + video.
To play ac3 track / 2 audio track with 2-channels audio system set also AUDIO DEVICE to 5.1 to hear full volume of the sound.

Regards

eb

[Konstantin]

eb, thanks for the help.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

To play ac3 track / 2 audio track with 2-channels audio system set also AUDIO DEVICE to 5.1 to hear full volume of the sound. Your smaller stream doesn't have AC3, it has a DTS track and an MPA track.

0x5d3 Video
0x5d4 MPA Audio
0x5d5 DTS Audio

XMuxer Pro does NOT detect the MPA stream! I was able to demux and play the DTS track, however.

For your longer stream, XMuxer Pro detects the MPA track but not the DTS track!

[SeeMoreDigital]

I was able to demux and play the DTS track, however.I'm also able to play the de-muxed "DTS" track in MediaPlayer Classic... However, despite it having the .dts file extension my DSS amp flags-up the stream as being AC3... and not DTS.

[Guest]

Hmm. Interesting. I'll look into that.

EDIT: The PMT gives a stream_type of 0x06, which is defined in ETSI TS 102 154 V1.2.1 (2004-05) Annex G as DTS. In A/52B, it states that AC3 shall use stream_type 0x81. So this stream is not complying to the specifications.

[Konstantin]

Hi All,

The problem was in one of ours component, shortly we shall lay out updating where the problem with wrong definition of quantity of elementary streams in TS will be fixed. As soon as updating will be ready, I shall inform all of you.

All thanks for the help in detection of mistakes in work of our application.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

The PMT gives a stream_type of 0x06, which is defined in ETSI TS 102 154 V1.2.1 (2004-05) Annex G as DTS. In A/52B, it states that AC3 shall use stream_type 0x81. So this stream is not complying to the specifications. It turns out that 0x06 is used in DVB and 0x81 is used in ATSC. Actually, it's even more complicated than that (0x06 can signal DTS too) but I now know all the rules, so I will crank a new release of DGIndex to do it right.

[crypto]

Type 6 descibes a private stream. It can be everything from audio to teletext. You have to further analyze the ES.

[Guest]

The problem was in one of ours component, shortly we shall lay out updating where the problem with wrong definition of quantity of elementary streams in TS will be fixed. As soon as updating will be ready, I shall inform all of you. Can you please give us an idea of when the fixed version will be available. I have some urgent projects in limbo now and I'll need to look for an alternative if these problems aren't resolved very soon. Thank you.

And by the way, I have no response from your support email other than an automated reply.

[Konstantin]

Hi all,

The problem with definition of quantity of elementary streams is known and it is already fixed. At present final testing after that will new version is made is laid out.

I will necessarily inform all when the new version will be ready.
Watch news on our site.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

@Konstantin

Can you please update us on the staus of the fixed version? I've spent $130 on this and it is totally worthless while I have urgent projects hanging.

And BTW, your tech support never responded to me, after you specifically told me to contact them.

[Konstantin]

Hi all,
The newest demuxer should fix this problem. To download the file empgdmx.zip use the following link:
http://stuff.elecard.net.ru/pfda/Dm57X7VVjaBn1OO/empgdmx.zip
After deep testing we'll update XMuxer pro application on our site some later. But I'have to appologies for inconvenience right now.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

You sent me a new empgdmx.ax. It did not fix any of my problems, as I informed you by email. Is this a newer version than the one you sent me? If not, why didn't you test it on the stream I provided?

EDIT: I just tested this one and none of my issues are fixed! E.g., it still does not detect a simple video stream in the transport stream that I provided to you. Do you have a response?

[crypto]

neuron2: You said, you have an urgent project and I am not aware of the details. But, if you need to remux .ts to .mpg, you can do so with tsconverter (http://www.dvbportal.de/projects/tsconverter). It is free and aware of ac3 and hd mux rates. In case of any problem pm me.

[Guest]

Thanks, crypto. I found an alternate solution for my projects involving use of a proprietary tool made by one of our customers. Now I'm just torqued that we've dropped $130 down the drain and they won't even test the streams they ask for. I'll wait for a response and if there's nothing I'll conclude that Elecard doesn't care about its paying customers and I'll make a prominent anti-Elecard rant at my website. I don't take **** like this lightly.

[CruNcher]

Elecard is your customer, but in the hardware sector then ?

[Guest]

Elecard is your customer, but in the hardware sector then ? Sorry, but you lost me on this. I am a customer of Elecard in that I purchased their products for my company (STM). When I refer to *my customer*, I mean a purchaser of STM silicon unconnected to Elecard.

[CruNcher]

ahh ok thx now it's clear :)

[Konstantin]

Hi All,
Updating is laid out. Some problems have been solved. All thanks for the help in their detection.

http://www.elecard.com/products/products-pc/consumer/xmuxer-pro/

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

You still haven't addressed my issues. I sent the stream to your tech support as you asked long ago, but they ignored me. And I mailed *you* the stream today. Are you just going to ignore me too?

My web site gets a lot of traffic. If I put an anti-Elecard rant there and keep it permanent in a prominent place, I can hurt you. I don't want to, but you took my money and now ignore me.

Be a man and answer me!

[Konstantin]

Hi neuron2,
I just have sent you the answer to your letter with a file. You still have not received it?
We have found out a problem which you described, and still it is not solved.
As soon as it will be solved, I shall personally send you updating.
For us each user is important, and we not whom do not ignore.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[ron spencer]

what does it mean:

"and at present it is solved"


and then:

"As soon as it will be solved, I shall personally send you updating."


it seems to be solved and then not so....

[Guest]

I suppose it means they found the cause but not yet the fix.

The stream detection stuff is pretty simple so I'm surprised at all this pulaver. They could just use the code from DGIndex. I'll grant them a waiver from GPL for that just to get this fixed (that is my code)! Or I will be happy to assist their engineer, who seems to be stumbling around.

@Konstantin

If you sent it to my work email, I won't see it until tomorrow. What was the gist?

I really would like to see this software be a success, as it has so much promise.

[Konstantin]

Hi neuron2,

We found some strange thing that can't handle our demultiplexer. In fact in the semantic of PES (IS138181-Systems, page 33) should be presented protection bits '0011'- 4 bslbf and '0001' 4 bslbf. In the problem streams these bits were changed to '0010' 4 bslbf for both strings. This means (from specification point of view) that current PES is corrupted. In other words whole PES that contains time stamps are marked like invalid.
But note that these PES contains sequence header and picture header as usual. Therefore the demultiplexer can't find any valid PES in order to provide output pin for video.

So, the MProbe also reports about errors in this stream.

It would be very interesting to know what software provides such kind of stream. We certainly can modify our demultiplexer for solving this problem but what for? Perhaps it is better to keep to MPEG standard then mimeograph some "custom" solutions.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

Thank you, Konstantin.

Yes, the PTS_DTS_flags field should be repeated in the 4 bit field that you mentioned. I concur that for this stream the PTS_DTS_flags are 0x3 while the 4 bit "protection" field has 0x2. So formally, yes, it is incorrect. But the actual PTS value is valid. And I would argue that since you are demuxing the elementary stream anyway, the PTS's will be discarded, so why quibble about it when there is a perfectly good video stream there? This was captured off a live broadcast as transport, so there's no software that I can blame.

If you don't want to just ignore that field as DGIndex does, then I can live with it, as I have seen only a few streams that do this, and DGIndex can demux them. But again, I think you should just ignore it.

Now, since you are engaging me to address issues, I have a transport stream with 10 programs and for which XMuxer Pro detects only 1. I will mail it to you and would appreciate your looking at it.

[Konstantin]

neuron2
You understand what it is impossible to check up work of software completely as a variety of streams is great and sometimes there are problems. But when we have a specific problem stream we solve this problem ASAP.

Well, I shall wait from you a file with 10 programs in TS. Once more thanks for the help.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[ron spencer]

@neuron2

may I ask what projects you do? you have written some cool software so I was just wondering. hope it was ok to ask

[Guest]

My company (STMicroelectronics) develops silicon for MPEG/AVC/VC1 capable set-top boxes. We need to generate various transport streams for testing our technology and for creating marketing demos, etc.

@Konstantin

The 10-program stream was sent. Thank you for your attention.

[Konstantin]

Thanks for the sent file I have received it. Look your e-mail, I have sent you the letter.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

As I am again away from my work email, can you summarize the contents of the letter? Was it just "We will look at it and let you know?"

Thank you.

[Guest]

Hi Konstantin,

Is there any status update on the 10-program stream I sent you, for which XMuxer Pro detects only one program?

Thank you.

[Konstantin]

Hi neuron2,
We have defined a problem and have solved it. Please, try with the new version of a Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer (I have sent it on your e-mail).

Thanks for the help in detection of mistakes at work of our software product.

Best Regards
Konstantin.

[Guest]

Thank you, that's good news. I will test it as soon as I arrive at work today.

Assuming that the demuxing is now all OK, I will begin testing the muxing functionality and give you my feedback.

Your responsiveness to my issues is greatly appreciated.