Opinons on the key file?

[ron spencer]

allright then, but that is how I took it....fine; I don't really care now

But you still need to articulate under what conditions the system ID will change. You really do for the tinker-types. I think this is a must.

[jdobbs]

I'd like to add one more note to this before this thread (hopefully) goes away.

In addition to supporting a more secure protection, this mechanism was created to simplify the key process. So far the feedback I've gotten is overwealmingly positive (like a hundred to one). I also ran it through testing on a group of early beta testers before releasing it -- and those comments supported it. People like this a lot better than the old way of having to download a key separately. But unfortunately you can't please everyone -- so I'm aiming for the 99%.

I listen to my customers...

[jdobbs]

allright then, but that is how I took it....fine; I don't really care now

But you still need to articulate under what conditions the system ID will change. You really do for the tinker-types. I think this is a must. Please... you know the answer to that, and you also know why.

[ron spencer]

No I do not know why, or why I would know. Adobe feels free to tell you:

"What is Reactivation and why is it needed?
Photoshop CS2 activation is designed to be tolerable of most changes to your computer's configuration. On a PC changes such as: the graphics card, sound card, CD/DVD ROM drives, memory, CPU and motherboard should not require reactivation. However, very occasionally the License Manager may lose synchronisation with the authorisation code that was written to part of your hard disk when you activated Photoshop. In this event you will be presented with the alert dialog shown in Figure 4 below. This alert is informing you that Photoshop needs to be reactivated before you can continue to use it. On a Mac activation is tied to the unique IP address built into the computer by Apple when it was manufactured. This means that the Mac activation loosing synchronisation is is very unlikely."

Just a simple question...from a simple google search.

[jdobbs]

This has gone beyond reasonable conversation. I'm no longer participating.

Cheers.

[ron spencer]

???? Suit yourself....just thought it was a reasonable question...guess not.

C'ya

[spyhawk]

IMHO, use of System ID is just similar to that of DvdReMake. I don't see any problem with it. Even though the limit is 5 downloads, just ask yourself, do you really use RB in all 5 systems? Even if you change/upgrade hardware, the probably is that you're not going to do it often. You can then check if the System ID has changed or not. If it does, just get a new key. It shouldn't be a problem. Besides, new version always comes out. Just my 2 cents. :)

@jdobbs,
I get this critical error message that reg-rb.exe could not execute when I go to Help -> Download Key File. Is this on purpose? Both the reg-rb.exe and the new key are already in the RB folder..

[Dimad]

IMHO, use of System ID is just similar to that of DvdReMake. I don't see any problem with it. Even though the limit is 5 downloads...
Sorry to jump in, but this incorrect statement been done several times here. Just to set it right. "Magic number" 5 is not a limit of downloads - it is just the ammount of previously used Computer IDs stored on site for particular registration. When download for 6+ is requested it will "push off" older saved IDs.

Again, sorry for OT.

[blutach]

This is jdobbs software, not joe smith's or bill bloggs's. jdobbs will decide how to implement the means to protect HIS work.

I, for one, as mentioned earlier, support this 100% (as do, I trust, the vast majority of DVDRB users). Let's face it - the pro version hit the illegal download "market" within days. Is that what anyone wants for this work? Do we want jdobbs to toss it all in and say "I can't win" because of software piracy? Of course not! So to any detractors, I say, let's support jdobbs.

Whatever small imposition is required, so be it.

BTW: I also support Dimad's system, which serves users very well - you can even "pre-register" your machines (5 of them) before new versions come out (that takes account of changes to major hardware).

Regards

[Rippraff]

Sorry. I'd suggest you send a nastygram to a hacker...
IMHO this doesn't sound very nice and can easily be misinterpreted. Maybe both sides have to sleep on it and calm down? Just my two cents.

Back to topic:
For all the ones who are running RB on a non-internet connected pc, there might be another possibility. Is it possible to copy just the Reg_RB to the unconnected, write down SI-Nr and run "Get Key file" with the new number on the connected machine? There is the possibility to change System Identifier value manually but I'm not sure if it works?
I can't test it because I do have only one pc to work with RB. My old notebook (PIII 600MHz) is far to slow ;).

Cu Rippraff

[casonbang]

I believe jdobbs has now collected a variety of opinions on the matter. He has listened to the feedback and made his decision, at least regarding the next version.

There is nothing left to discuss. Perhaps this topic should be closed?

[jdobbs]

IMHO this doesn't sound very nice and can easily be misinterpreted. Maybe both sides have to sleep on it and calm down? Just my two cents.

Back to topic:
For all the ones who are running RB on a non-internet connected pc, there might be another possibility. Is it possible to copy just the Reg_RB to the unconnected, write down SI-Nr and run "Get Key file" with the new number on the connected machine? There is the possibility to change System Identifier value manually but I'm not sure if it works?
I can't test it because I do have only one pc to work with RB. My old notebook (PIII 600MHz) is far to slow ;).

Cu Rippraff I guess everyone doesn't know what a "nastygram" is... its an e-mail telling someone you don't like something. I guess I just don't understand how it could be misinterpreted to mean something else???

[ron spencer]

yep....he can enter any scheme he wants, which in the end is ok. Again it was just my opinion.

BTW here is what I got by googling for nastygram

"1. A protocol packet or item of email (the latter is also called a letterbomb) that takes advantage of misfeatures or security holes on the target system to do untoward things. "

BTW is there a changlog for 1.05? Bug fixes?

[ozzii]

BTW is there a changlog for 1.05? Bug fixes?

Like always, YES. Read the rebuilder.txt

P.S. For me, no prob with this new "key procedure" ;)

[Rippraff]

I guess everyone doesn't know what a "nastygram" is...
You're right. ;)
What about my topic related question?

BTW is there a changlog for 1.05? Bug fixes?
Take a look at Rebuilder.txt or wait until jdobbs updates the sticky. :)

Cu Rippraff

[skipper152]

Well, the download of the key file worked fine at work on my work machine (I just downloaded the new 1.05 pro).

But if what I am reading means that I cannot transfer this key to another machine, then DVDRB will really be useless to me. I do my encoding on a machine at home that has no connection to the internet, hence no keyfile.

Thanks for the great work. And I do hope for everyone else jdobbs can continue the work.

Time to start looking around at other programs.

[jdobbs]

You can run it at home fine. But you need to know the System ID for that computer so a key can be generated. From work you can run REG-RB.EXE and enter the ID for your home computer along with your registered e-mail address and it will create a key that you can take home. You could also send an e-mail to dvd-rb@dvd-rb.com that includes the System ID and I will send it to you.

The internet connection requirement is no different than it was before when you had to download the key.

I'm trying to make things simpler, not harder...

[Rippraff]

I'm trying to make things simpler, not harder...
Sounds quite simple and it works in the same way as I've posted above. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=751578#post751578) :)

Cu Rippraff

[skipper152]

Its an extra step or two, but if this new way helps to protect the program, its a minor inconvenience for me.
At first, it seemed the machine I was going to encode on had to be connected to the net to get the key file. Guess not! I need to read more carefully.

Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding! I'll give it a try tonight when I get home.

[feedback]

But you still need to articulate under what conditions the system ID will change. You really do for the tinker-types. I think this is a must.
It is not a must it is a desire and it is a desire that is not going to be fulfilled so get over it. A must is food, clothing and shelter. BTW, You are the only one in this thread that has repeatedly asked for this information.

I use another program, STOIK Video Converter, from time to time that uses a Hardware fingerprint and it is no big deal.

DVD Rebuilder is jdobbs baby and as such he can and will do what he wants with it so deal with it.

People can threaten to go use some other program but as DVD-RB has no competition in it's ease of use I think those are hollow threats.

So, everyone needs to take a chill pill and let the jdobbs get back to work on Rebuilder instead of having to reply to a minority of malcontents in this thread.

Regards,:)

[Rockas]

Ok... I'll leave my 5 cents too :)

I think that every programmer has the right to protect his work and I really think that as a user I also want that evry program I buy is protected, why?
I simply don't like the feeling when someone sais to me:

- What?!?!? You spent money on that program!?!?!? You are so stupid!!! I have it and I didn't spent a cent on it...

Know what I mean? Even if I'm right and I like to help and support software developers, I still don't like to be called stupid, directly or indirectly by people that use hacked software... specially when that software is developed by independent programmers and cost so little money.

The system developed by jdobbs is fair and above all... simplier.. you wouldn't believe the number of e-mail I get every day from people that erased accidentaly (don't ask me why or how) the key file and don't have the e-mail links for download anymore.

I get them as Administrator of www.dvdrebuilder.com... being optimistic I would say that jdobbs receives 3x the e-mail I get... if I loose 15 minutes answering the e-mails that means jdobbs will spend 45 minutes, right?
I guess at this point, many of the features on the "todo" list would be implemented. :)

keep it UP and... slow down.

[Video Dude]

I just wanted to thank jdobbs for providing a solution for me via email because I could not use the key program to retrieve a key.

Even though I am against software that requires an activation or computer ID, I must say that jdobbs is one of the most helpful and friendly software developers around.

[jdobbs]

Just so people will know, you will have the option of downloading a key on the next version update if you prefer not to use the registration software (personally I like it better, though). You just can't do that on the first instance, as I don't have SYSTEM IDs to use in the key generation.

I truly want to make all this as easy as possible.

[Zeul]

Time for my opinion :D

All i can say is hats off to jdobbs - i think his key approach is excellent. The amount of time he puts into this forum helping, is only to be congratulated - not forgetting his enthusiam on other boards also. And to all who complain about having to connect to the internet - how did you get the app in the first place? - off the net.

I reckon this thread has run its course - and as such closure is overdue.

[jdobbs]

I think you're right -- and closed it is -- thanks for the kind words and support.