Is necessary it to replace its video tape recorder by a enregistor DVD with hard disk

[guada 2]

Question of a general nature.

Hello, :)

Is necessary it to replace its video tape recorder by a enregistor DVD with hard disk?

Nowadays, one attends a development without precedent of the products for the video.
The recorder of DVD is democratized and placed like the potential sucessor of the video tape recorder.

Who among you would be tempted to buy this type of product?
Think you that the video tape recorder of still its word with saying?
The hard disk is it compatible with the commeciaux hard disks?
Could one combine an operating system coupled to the latter?

To soon...

[zilog jones]

What? This sounds like it came from an online translator...:confused:

[ronnylov]

Are you are asking what we think of standalone DVD recorders with integrated hard disk compared to a VCR?

Personally I prefer capturing video with my PC to the HD and then transfer to DVD format and burn with the DVD burner in my computer. Especially when making DVB captures I can get better quality by recording directly in it's original digital form with my DVB-card compared with the standalone DVD recorders which only can record analogue video (because they do not have integrated digital receiver).

[unmei]

the french word order is lovable :p

I guess the harddrives are normal harddrives like those for PC, they want have them cheap after all. But i don't think you can put just any OS on those. Well you probably can place the OS files, but it won't boot.

I'm not very temped to buy one since i don't have a TV and all my video/movie watching and storage is PC based. Once i borrowed a VCR to rip the few tapes i own to mpeg-4, but lucky nowadays you can get almost everything on DVD.

[guada 2]

I am really sorry for the translation. :(
Thank you UNMEI for your comfort.

I will try to be clearer.
Do you think that the video tape recorder still has a future with the arrival of recorders DVD equipped with hard disk?

UNMEI
Even if it cannot accepted a OS. Which format can read then?

[theReal]

Do you think that the video tape recorder still has a future with the arrival of recorders DVD equipped with hard disk? The quality of DVD recorders is not that good, but they are still better than VHS, so I don't think VHS has a future.

[guada 2]

theReal

You really think it.

Perhaps you are right on a point.
Why exploit the format mpeg2, whereas the format mpeg4 seems to be a promising format.

The ideal would be to produce equipment dedicated to the evolution of the standards of compression current.
What prevents from producing on the market a recorder with the format mpeg4, which would exploit in real time the codec Xvid or the codec DivX, H264 AVC, and even Ateme h264.

That made perhaps smile....
But I always do not understand the choice and the conditions of the audio-visual market trends.
I should have doubted to me that the financial hierarchy and the capacity of the investors would be likely to fall constantly…

In short..

[feedback]

Scientific evolution:

Eventually, just about everything invented gives way to something more efficient and useful.
Vacuum tubes gave way to discrete circuit transistors, which gave way to IC's, Intergrated circuits.
Except for CRT's which are just big vacuum tubes, tubes are not being developed any further(and CRT's are on the decline).



There may still be some role for further video tape development(or magnetic tape in general), but it is definitely on the decline IMO.
:)

[guada 2]

Hello feedback, :)

"Which are us to speak about decline"?
We should not forget that we are that pawns on the chess-board internationnal.

I think that all is not say, and that all is not finished.
theReal does not have inevitably twists.
It is only my opinion.


Note: sorry for my translation :)

[feedback]

Bonjour, :)

We should not forget that we are that pawns on the chess-board internationnal.
Yes, and politics rules everything, especially science.:)


Regards,

[guada 2]

It is true :)

"Bonjour"

excuse me, one would say that you speak French.
It is really COOL you know

To soon ;)

[movmasty]

Originally posted by zilog jones
What? This sounds like it came from an online translator...:confused:
Well? What do you have against the online translators?

[guada 2]

"Well? What do you have against the online translators?"
Good question.

movmasty,I am of your opinion. :)

"zilog jones" :)
To improve its knowledge, to understand themselves or transmit a message to the other, the means of communication availability of each one is very useful.

Let us benefit then from opportunities…
it is not always obvious, but one makes as one can.

NOTE: sorry for my translation

[Nic]

@Guada2: You may be better of at http://forum.bheller.com/ Alot your posts don't make much sense, and it's very hard to decipher what you are trying to ask. Without a better understanding of English, a French forum might be, unfortunately, your best option.

[guada 2]

Thank you NIC. :)
I think that you are right surely.

Mario

[shevegen]

Pawns that think before they buy something are bad pawns for the industry. And I simply refuse to watch advertisement. ;)

[zilog jones]

Originally posted by movmasty
Well? What do you have against the online translators?

They're not particularly good at what they're supposed to do, i.e. translate. It's unfortunate that English is such a stupid non-sensical language and yet has become the "international" language - it's probably not helping things...

And back OT, I think I know what you're trying to say now. I don't think VHS has much of a future either, but it's not dead yet. The majority of TV owners still have VHS VCRs over DVD/HDD recorders, and DVD recorders are still around twice the price of a decent VCR, along with the media which also costs quite a bit more than blank tapes. The 3 VCRs in my house aren't going anywhere soon - they're still our only convenient method for recording stuff off the TV, and we have collected quite a large amount of tapes over the 16+ years we've had VCRs for. I'm sure many other people are like this too.

There may still be some role for further video tape development(or magnetic tape in general), but it is definitely on the decline IMO.
I think magnetic tapes will still be around for quite a while yet. In the broadcasting industry there's still no other media that can store similar large amounts of data with similar convenience and costs. IMO optical discs aren't half as practical for video recording purposes the way they work now. And in the consumer market, miniDV is still the most common format for camcorders as 12cm discs are just too big and 8cm discs can't exactly store much

[theReal]

In the broadcasting industry there's still no other media that can store similar large amounts of data with similar convenience and costs. The German public television WDR has just made the first step - they replaced all their BetaCam SP equipment with Sony's Blue-Ray MPEG IMX solution "XDCAM" (I read they bought some 130 camcorders and 160 recorders... in Germany public television still has a lot of money it seems...the camcorders are 29K Euro a piece...). I'm not 100% sure though they will only use the blue ray discs (there are also MPEG IMX tapes available which can hold more data than the discs - probably still more cost effective for archiving).

And in the consumer market, miniDV is still the most common format for camcorders as 12cm discs are just too big and 8cm discs can't exactly store muchThe discs available in the consumer market are crap. They store MPEG2 at low bitrates. You can't cut that stuff frame accurate and the quality is low compared to DV.
In comparison the pro system XDCAM uses modified MPEG2 (I-frame only) at 50 Mbps. The quality is a little worse than DigiBeta, but it's certainly better than all other available digital formats (including DVCPro 50, which is the same bit rate but with an outdated compression algorithm)

*edit: the WDR bought even more XDCAM equipment... (http://pro.sony.com.hk/pr20040910i.htm):eek:

[zilog jones]

Wow. I was thinking when making my last post whether Blue-ray discs would come into broadcasting use. I guess they already have!

[communist]

Originally posted by theReal
*edit: the WDR bought even more XDCAM equipment... (http://pro.sony.com.hk/pr20040910i.htm):eek:
:eek: :eek: and :eek:
Thats all I have to say..

Damn GEZ!!

[Shinigami-Sama]

Originally posted by Nic
@Guada2: You may be better of at http://forum.bheller.com/ Alot your posts don't make much sense, and it's very hard to decipher what you are trying to ask. Without a better understanding of English, a French forum might be, unfortunately, your best option.
this is rare come from me but..
leave the poor french guy you guys I'm mean atleast he;s trying, he's not htat hard ot understand if you're the least bit multi-curtal like we all should be by now,

anwyays one mod/admin to another ;)

ok back on topic
I think vhs will die in ~5 years, from waht I hear people are going to buy one last vhs thne get rid of hte tpaes after the player dies
the dvd recorder on hte other hand is still new it needs ot be given more powerful options like digi-reciaver and such
dam my spelling ;_;

[feedback]

I agree with you Shinigami-Sama, guada 2 is not causing a problem.

No harm, No foul, right?

I thought this was a more Multi-Cultural forum, anyway. ne faites pas l'imbécile!

Au revoir,:)