Nero/Ateme HP AVC Encoder Beta : Call For Testers

[bobololo]

Dear video enthusiast community,

After months of hard work, we've again reached a major stage in our video codec development and therefore Ateme is now very happy to announce a new beta test of its High Profile AVC video encoder. With the big success of the previous beta program, we're pleased to repeat the experience and share with you 'compressionists' the results of our latest progressions in technology.


So what is it about ?

We offer you the exclusive chance to try our latest full featured encoder. As a tester you will receive a package with the encoder and useful tools (parser / decoder filters, muxer, extractor, etc). In exchange we're asking you to test it, stress it and provide some feedback to us so we can fix bugs and improve the encoder performance following your comments and suggestions. This encoder will then be polished and integrated into Nero Digital products used by millions of users worldwide. The objective is to make it the best and your favorite encoder !


What are the new features to be tested ?

- CBR rate control mode (HRD compliant)
- psychovisual improvement
- full interlaced support (field only, paff, mbaff)
- 8x8 transform
- 4x4 and 8x8 custom scale matrix
- monochrome encoding
- lossless encoding
- multi-threaded encoding support
- sse2 and sse3 instructions support
- quality and performance improvement
- source denoiser / film grain preservation

The beta package will be very similar to the previous one. It will include a CLI encoder and everything needed for playback. The provided programs run under win 2k/xp and we don't guarantee them to work on other platforms.


How to become a tester ?

With a deep regret, we won't be able to accept all volunteers for the beta this time. As you may already know, during the last beta we learned of a leak and as such we feel we have to be very cautious throughout the tester selection process. As a result of an open discussion about trustworthy testers we've concluded that the following scheme is the best compromise:

- Any volunteer registers by sending me a PM with his/her email.
- The registration will end around a week later and we'll proceed to select a subset of trustworthy testers from those volunteers. The subset will consist mainly of active testers from the previous beta. A list of those trustworthy testers will be publicly disclosed.
- Those testers will then have around a week to recommend up to 5 volunteers. This means that they won't be responsible for the actions of their recommended volunteers.
- A volunteer requires 2 votes to become a tester.
- After the testers recruitment is over, we send to all testers the terms and conditions of the beta.
- Testers then respond (by email) with their approval of the terms and provide their personal data (name and postal address, P.O. box forbidden).
- A letter will be sent to all testers by postal mail containing their personal login and password to access to the beta program.


What is the schedule ?

A rough idea of the beta schedule would be:

- 05/18 Call for testers, volunteer registration begins.
- 05/27 Registration closes, disclose trustworthy testers, start of volunteer recommendation.
- 06/03 Tester recruitment over, terms & conditions approval, login & password sending.
- 06/08 Official start of beta test.

I hope you'll enjoy this new beta and I'm waiting for your registration ! :)

you can join #mpeg on irc.freenode.org for any questions.


UPDATES

25/05: You can find here (http://pub.ateme.net/~tsouthiv/beta2.txt) the current list of trustworthy testers and the registered testers so you can vote for your candidates ;) This will be updated as often as possible.

23/05: I posted here (http://pub.ateme.net/~tsouthiv/volunteers.txt), the registered volunteers list as of now. If I forgot someone, please PM me again and don't forget to provide your email address. Thanks.


-- bobo [ ateme R&D ]

[JohnV]

I can see that Ateme has been working hard. :) New features look really great! And the initial SSIM results (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=656281#post656281) also look more than promising! :)
It's great to have Ateme as our partner for Nero Digital to make the already best quality video codec even better, also with the help of Doom9 community and testers' feedback.. :)

[bobololo]

When applying, please don't forget to provide your email address, thanks :)

EDIT: and don't worry if I don't reply to your PM, all applications are registered.

[bill_baroud]

first to apply ?


i'm looking forward this new test :)

[Sharktooth]

no:p

[Selur]

Ready for testing if there's still some room. :)

Cu Selur

[Teegedeck]

Promising feature list. Alas, no time to take part in this one. Have fun, testers! Guess that another round of congrats (for first implementing MPEG4v10 to this extent) to Ateme is due when this is over.

[Ghim]

It's too bad I don't have the time, otherwise I would have applied...
But anyway the progress you've done in terms of quality and features seems really impressive !!

I'll just wait for it to be integrated into Nero in order to try it !

[dvd_maniac]

new beta test of its High Profile AVC video encoder

This is great news... I hope the beta is short and a great success.

I use Recode to encode my dvd collection now. I use the Standard AVC profile at around 350kbps. This gives me great results with a relitively small file and on my system I can encode a 2 hour movie in around 5 hours.

My questions are:
Will this new High Profile encoder be just an add-on to the next Recode revision like the PSP was or is the other Profiles going to get an update as well? Specifically. is the encoder that Doom9 used for the codec comparison, which is 20% faster, going to be released?

Will I benefit from any of this with what I use Recode for?

[bobololo]

Here are a few clips (high profile) while waiting for the beta start:

batman-ateme-3500k-hp.mp4 (ftp://mood.ateme.com/beta/batman-ateme-3500k-hp.mp4)
hp2-ateme-450k-hp.mp4 (ftp://mood.ateme.com/beta/hp2-ateme-450k-hp.mp4)

They can be played by latest version of Nero Showtime !

[Sharktooth]

harharhar

[acidsex]

Do testers from the last beta test have to sign up or are we automatically cleared for this new test? I went ahead and applied just to be safe.

Ateme has been working awfully hard and the world of digital video just got even better. Kudos guys!!

[subliminal]

I am very glad to see that ATEME is work hard to provide us the best codec, my congratiolations!!! I almost encoded about 370 movies since the AVC came out! and now that i have more time it would be a very good time to test this new beta!! (i haved finish my work in the xbox 360 [motherboard] you will love it :) ) i just want to know the e-mail to send my information!!





Thank You and keep the good worK
SubliminaL

[baer999]

Wow what a great surprise, I'am looking forward to see the Final, because there has been a long time with no new versions. Are there any percentage improvement number ?

[peteag]

my dear. the clips are that amazing. wow. i don't find any words. avc rules! ateme rules! my dear, i knew, i wouldn't find any words to explain this feelings ... boh ...

excellent work ... for beta ;-)))))))

hopefully the dvd-forum will change their minds in order to make avc the only supported videocodec on hd-dvd/blue-ray/anything different. this codec is the future!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bobololo
Here are a few clips (high profile) while waiting for the beta start... Hi bobololo,

May I ask, how come the your high-def Batman clip runs at 29.970fps and not 24.000fps or 23.976fps.... What was the source?


Cheers

[bobololo]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Hi bobololo,

May I ask, how come the your high-def Batman clip runs at 29.970fps and not 24.000fps or 23.976fps.... What was the source?

The batman trailer comes from apple hd gallery. The original clip was encoded using QT7/AVC at 8 mb/s.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bobololo
The batman trailer comes from apple hd gallery. The original clip was encoded using QT7/AVC at 8 mb/s. What a very odd thing for Apple to do!


Cheers

[Sagittaire]

Originally posted by bobololo
Here are a few clips (high profile) while waiting for the beta start:

batman-ateme-3500k-hp.mp4 (ftp://mood.ateme.net/beta/batman-ateme-3500k-hp.mp4)
hp2-ateme-450k-hp.mp4 (ftp://mood.ateme.net/beta/hp2-ateme-450k-hp.mp4)

They can be played by latest version of Nero Showtime !

b****l de m***e

very impressive for HPII trailer: no blocking, no ringing, very sharp, high detail level. You are sure that beta test for quality control is necessary ... lol

OPSNR: 40.9672 dB
SSIM: 71.68368020

OPSNR is "only" at 40.9672 dB with SSIM at 71.68 ... your psy optimisation are very impressive too.

[IgorC]

I couldn´t download it.
It requires ftp login for download a video samples.

[Sirber]

Seems fair, sending PM :)

[edit]

Etat : Connecté à mood.ateme.net. Attente du message d'accueil...
Réponse : 220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server (mood.ateme.com) [213.251.132.112]
Commande : USER anonymous
Erreur : Déconnecté du serveur
Erreur : Impossible de se connecter !

FTP doesn't like me :(

[G-Slide]

impossible for me too ! i can't dl... :(

[bobololo]

Originally posted by G-Slide
impossible for me too ! i can't dl... :(

I updated the links in my initial post.

[kaabob]

Originally posted by bobololo
I updated the links in my initial post.

Yeap, works for me now

[Selur]

nice clips :D
(download worked fine; right-click->save as ...)

Cu Selur

[yaz]

clips dl'd but no way of playing back even not w/nmp :confused: nmp says : 'audio source plugin error: invalid file' :confused: :confused: what else do i need ? should i install the whole nero bunch or what ? (there's only nmp installed at the moment)

thx
y
outer players crash on the clips (as usual w/nero :mad: )

[peteag]

what's the improvement over the actually h.264-codec included in nero at the time?

[bobololo]

Originally posted by yaz
clips dl'd but no way of playing back even not w/nmp :confused: nmp says : 'audio source plugin error: invalid file' :confused: :confused: what else do i need ? should i install the whole nero bunch or what ? (there's only nmp installed at the moment)

outer players crash on the clips (as usual w/nero :mad: )

As I already said, you need latest Nero ShowTime (available in NVE package #2).

[eugene17]

Hi,
I'd like to be your tester and to try this new Encoder.
I'm a novice here...
I have several HD streams and try to convert them into AVC.
I wonder, do you prefer only tough guys?
Can I have a chance?
My e-mail egenin@hotmail.com

[yaz]

Originally posted by bobololo
As I already said, you need latest Nero ShowTime (available in NVE package #2). aha ... i tried nero media player. thx for the correction
y

[G-Slide]

edit : it works now :)

[Latexxx]

(removed. it appears that here were two pages full of posts)

[TEB]

Bobolo, could u discribe the lossless mode in more detail? @ work we are looking for lossless archiving codecs in a modern container to use for educational state driven projects.. this seems to be very intressting..

best regards teb

[G-Slide]

bobolo> is AVC HP encoding time longer than AVC MP ?

[bobololo]

Originally posted by TEB
Bobolo, could u discribe the lossless mode in more detail? @ work we are looking for lossless archiving codecs in a modern container to use for educational state driven projects.. this seems to be very intressting..

The lossless mode is very similar to standard encoding mode except in this case the lossy quantization isn't performed. As such it takes advantage of all AVC high profile encoding tools (intra/inter(bi) prediction, cabac, inloop deblocking filter, 8x8 adaptive transform, etc.).

[bobololo]

Originally posted by G-Slide
bobolo> is AVC HP encoding time longer than AVC MP ?

Do you really think that a better coding efficiency can be achieved while being faster, less complex, and aso ? ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Mpeg4/AVC lossless!

I wouldn't mind seeing how well this implementation stacks up against other lossless codecs, in both quality and bit-rate :)


Cheers

[Latexxx]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Mpeg4/AVC lossless!

I wouldn't mind seeing how well this implementation stacks up against other lossless codecs, in both quality and bit-rate :)

But not in speed. ;)

[kaabob]

Alright go Nero/Ateme!

Seems like this is the only team attempting to develop H.264, but woooooot!

[Sirber]

:readfaq: :search:

Never heard of x264? One name in many.

[iwod]

sorry but does the trail version of showtime suppose to work for playing these clips? It keep asking me to buy the full retail version.

[bond]

my 2 cents on the harry potter trailer:

- i cant help myself but somehow all encodes i see of this trailer seem to have blurred faces (especially the low detailed ones from the kids)!? am i the only one seeing this? seems its time to get the source, propably its in there already :D
- in the ateme encode the first scene where harry's face is shown is blocky (in the face) and easily spotable ugly (moving pixels aso), maybe thats because the ratecontrol hasnt kicked in correctly on the clip at the beginning (because the clip is too short or whatever!?). as libav & co dont decode the clip i dunno how to check the used quants, anyone having an idea how to do it?
- high motion gets blurred strongly. look at the scene where the girls are yanking out the plants. funnily one frame tough shows good details, but the others show no details at all (well in a short-scened trailer you wont mention this anyways, but in a movie with long high motion action scenes?)
- fog looks great (train). the ghost is still somehow funny, one frame is more detailed, the next frame less detailed aso... difference between b- and p-frames?
- as good as no blocks. great stuff for 450kbps, still blurred on some parts as mentioned already (not that bad tough), what loop settings have been used on this clip?

ok these are my findings after a quick look, all in all: oh my god! this is fucking great for 450kbps!!!
i mean compare the ateme hp encode with apples encoder, your eyes will fall off your head :D

[kaabob]

Hrm i tried viewing the clips with Nero ShowTime2 (the one in NVE package #2) but it looks like im missing the h.264 codec in general! Ugh gotta get another version of nero...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by kaabob
Hrm i tried viewing the clips with Nero ShowTime2 (the one in NVE package #2) but it looks like im missing the h.264 codec in general! Ugh gotta get another version of nero... Everything you need Mpeg4/AVC "codec-wise" is in NeroVision Express 3... There's no need for you to upgrade Nero Burning ROM 6 as well ;)


Cheers

[peteag]

yes youre right, trhe harry potter clip was blurry. my first yuhhhhs were for the batman-sequence which looks so grrrrr to me. the harry potter sequence takes 450kbps for a size at almost dvd-resolution. i think the quality is quite good, something blurry - yes - but better than anby other actual codec i know.

but i know what you mean. here a quality like an apple-trailer with sorenson (very sharp picture, almost no blocks, but high data rate) at just a half to third a space. this could be just cool.

[subliminal]

excelent quality the batman and hp, a litle blurry but with 450k what could we espect!!!


my e-mail is:
metalfuzion@gmail.com

[iwod]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Everything you need Mpeg4/AVC "codec-wise" is in NeroVision Express 3... There's no need for you to upgrade Nero Burning ROM 6 as well ;)


Cheers

That is the problem... i don't understand why i am getting the same error........

[Sharktooth]

Ensure you have the latest version.
Download the latest package and try again.

[iwod]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Ensure you have the latest version.
Download the latest package and try again.

I did....... try it 3 times....The first time i downloaded a Update package. ( Which is essentialy the same as the demo )
Then i download the demo and reinstall it... still wouldn't work.......

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by iwod
I did....... try it 3 times....The first time i downloaded a Update package. ( Which is essentialy the same as the demo )
Then i download the demo and reinstall it... still wouldn't work....... Sounds like you might have some other filters getting in the way of NeroDigital's filters!

[IgorC]

I noticed that on others forums some developers of Moonlight(especially one guy with nickname Mutek) is saying to newbies that Ateme High Profile is just updated version of Main Profile and there is no difference of quality. Also saying that difference between Moonlight and Ateme is not big and provided bad sugguestions about settings of Ateme H.264
Mutek, It's not fair method of competition between differents groups of developers.
If you want to do some statements , please do it here. Face to face.

[bond]

igorc: link?

[IgorC]

but it´s in russian
http://forum.mediatory.ru/viewtopic.php?t=2615&start=600
http://forum.ixbt.com/?id=29 - here is compalin about nero don´t suport interlace and that is why Mutek wont to test it at all . But everybody can use deinterlace via avisinth
There are others forums too. But I think it will be enough for the first time

All mesage of Mutek from mediatory forum http://forum.mediatory.ru/search.php?search_author=MuTeK. You can find his ´best ´settings for Ateme h.264

[Sharktooth]

Well... anything in english?

Translation: http://babelfish.av.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.mediatory.ru%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_author%3DMuTeK&lp=ru_en

[IgorC]

No , that´s why it hard to figure out and he thought that nobody wouldn´t say nothing on englisg lang .internationals forums.

[Sharktooth]

well the babelfish translation is quite clear (link in my previous post).

[Sirber]

Results of the search: 61
List of forums the observatory: Meeting

:confused:

[pogo stick]

Originally posted by IgorC
I noticed that on others forums some developers of Moonlight(especially one guy with nickname Mutek)...
Who are the other Moonlight devs that you are talking about?
Originally posted by IgorC
...is saying to newbies that Ateme High Profile is just updated version of Main Profile and there is no difference of quality.
He didn't say that. He said that he thinks the quality improvements in Ateme are the cause of encoder optimizations and not the cause of HP features (except 8x8 transform and matrixes).
Originally posted by IgorC
http://forum.ixbt.com/?id=29 - here is compalin about nero don?t suport interlace and that is why Mutek wont to test it at all .
If I remember correctly, he was testing interlaced encoders using interlaced video. Public version of Nero/Ateme encoder doesn't support it.
Originally posted by IgorC
Also saying that difference between Moonlight and Ateme is not big and provided bad sugguestions about settings of Ateme H.264
I didn't find it. Can you link this one?
Originally posted by IgorC
All mesage of Mutek from mediatory forum http://forum.mediatory.ru/search.ph...h_author=MuTeK. You can find his 'best 'settings for Ateme h.264
Didn't find it too.

What are you trying to do, IgorC?
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[IgorC]

Pogo Stick, you're trying to protect him. That's ok. But as I said it's hard to figure out sence of his posts. It's not first time I heard him talking about how Moonlight is good and fast while the others codecs are nothing comparing to it.
He always finds the reason to say about it.
Why he didn't post here? Did you see his suggestions and options for H.264? Read carefully his posts wich are full of propaganda and provocation.

Now he´ll think twice before to post something.

[pogo stick]

Originally posted by IgorC
Pogo Stick, you're trying to protect him.
No. Why should I protect him? I don't know him much.
Originally posted by IgorC
It's not first time I heard him talking about how Moonlight is good and fast while the others codecs are nothing comparing to it.
He always finds the reason to say about it.
...
Read carefully his posts wich are full of propaganda and provocation.
All I see is that you don't like Moonlight and Mutek. And I don't think it's good reason for accusing "groups of developers" in dishonesty.
Originally posted by IgorC
Did you see his suggestions and options for H.264?
No. Link it.

[IgorC]

http://forum.mediatory.ru/search.php?search_id=1516663295&start=20
2bfrmaes, 2ref, MV 64 - are the 'optimal' setings for him. Did You read it?
He complained as always that Nero H.264 isn't real time codec. What codec do you supposed good for him? Yes, moonlight it has a real time 1 pass. And the people who don´t understand much beleived him.
For Mutek Nero don´t suport interlace neither real time encoding. What else?

[ChronoCross]

I think you both need to calm down. Trying to fight over which codec is better will not solve anything. let the people using each figure it out for themselves.

I'm sure that each encoder has it's adv and dis and just because a single person spent his time bashing nero/ateme does not mean all the dev's of moonlight feel the same. If you disagree with him that's fine IgorC but there's no reason to bring it into a public fight.

I personally really do believe in the ateme advances. People are welcome to disagree with me.

Anyway everyone have a nice day.

[kaabob]

Yea, i still can't get the video to play, even when i redownloaded NVE #2 from Nero's UPdates page. This is the error window i got when i tried to open the file.

http://www1.pacific.edu/~j-chan3/images/nero.gif

Funny, when open up ReCode, I'm missing the options to encode in H.264 too

http://www1.pacific.edu/~j-chan3/images/nero2.gif

[pogo stick]

Originally posted by IgorC
http://forum.mediatory.ru/search.php?search_id=1516663295&start=20
Wrong link?
Originally posted by ChronoCross
I think you both need to calm down. Trying to fight over which codec is better will not solve anything. let the people using each figure it out for themselves.
I'm pretty calm and not trying to fight. I just can't find parts where Mutek bashing Nero/Ateme in those links. But I see IgorC saying very offensive things about Moonlight there. I am not connected with them and not using their products, but what IgorC is doing doesn't seem right to me.
Originally posted by ChronoCross
People are welcome to disagree with me.
Not me. :)

[JohnV]

I don't know what has happened at the russian forums, but in my opinion it would be the best if devs posting to russian/non-english sites commented mostly only their own products to avoid any missunderstandings. On international forums like Doom9, countering claims is not a problem, but it's a problem in russian forums for non-russian speakers..

But anyway, this is going off-topic..

@kaabob: if you had OEM version installed, uninstall and clear it completely from registry, then install the web-demo, or buy it..

[G-Slide]

bobololo> obviously i guess AVC HP can't be faster than AVC MP, but i would like to know if it's very longer ?...

[babayaga]

Originally posted by G-Slide
bobololo> obviously i guess AVC HP can't be faster than AVC MP, but i would like to know if it's very longer ?...

Just to give a hint, the same Reloaded trailer encoded with the same settings on the same Athlon 2800+ PC :
- Main profile in Nero version (end of last year) : 6.8fps
- High profile (upcoming beta) : 7.0fps

[G-Slide]

thanks ! :)

[Sirber]

Originally posted by babayaga
Just to give a hint, the same Reloaded trailer encoded with the same settings on the same Athlon 2800+ PC :
- Main profile in Nero version (end of last year) : 6.8fps
- High profile (upcoming beta) : 7.0fps

Beta already started?

[bond]

Originally posted by babayaga
Just to give a hint, the same Reloaded trailer encoded with the same settings on the same Athlon 2800+ PC :
- Main profile in Nero version (end of last year) : 6.8fps
- High profile (upcoming beta) : 7.0fps hm doesnt this mean that hp gets encoded faster than mp?

[Manao]

bond : either that or the encoder is faster than latest released beta... Somehow ( :rolleyes: ), i think the second is more credible, because high profile is inherently more complicated ( new intra modes (8x8), and virtually twice as much possibilities for coding a macroblock ( dct 4x4 or 8x8 ))

Sirber : babayaga is an Ateme's dev, so he's got access to the beta

G-slide : with the same encoding speed, high profile should give a higher quality than main profile ( for those who played with the latest beta, it roughly means that quality-good-HP is better than quality-best-MP ( psnr wise ), and that speed is roughly the same - with the same encoder )

[G-Slide]

okay thx for informations...;) in fact, i use verytime best quality... my 3400+ gives me some abilities :p

[LigH]

Originally posted by bobololo
They can be played by latest version of Nero Showtime !
Well - probably; the latest Mplayer (from celtic-druid) has quite some fun with it! :D
MPlayer dev-CVS-050518-19:25-3.4.2 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Duron Spitfire (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)
Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx


85 audio & 199 video codecs
Playing hp2-ateme-450k-hp.mp4.
ISO: Unknown File Type Major Brand: avc1
QuickTime/MOV file format detected.
--------------
Warning! pts=1 length=0
MOV track #0: 1 chunks, 0 samples
Generic track - not completely understood! (id: 0)
--------------
Warning! pts=1 length=0
MOV track #1: 1 chunks, 0 samples
Generic track - not completely understood! (id: 1)
--------------
Warning! pts=3076000 length=0
MOV track #2: 62 chunks, 3076 samples
MOV: AVC decoder configuration record atom (48)!
MOV: Found unknown movie atom btrt (20)!
Image size: 720 x 304 (24 bpp)
Display size: 720 x 304
Fourcc: avc1 Codec: 'AVC Coding'
--------------
MOV: longest streams: A: #-1 (0 samples) V: #2 (3076 samples)
VIDEO: [avc1] 720x304 24bpp 25.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
==========================================================================
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)
==========================================================================
Audio: no sound
Starting playback...
[h264 @ 00A01FC8]QP -14 out of range
Error while decoding frame!
[h264 @ 00A01FC8]error while decoding MB 0 0
[h264 @ 00A01FC8]concealing 80 DC, 80 AC, 80 MV errors
VDec: vo config request - 16 x 1280 (preferred csp: Planar YV12)
VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
Movie-Aspect is undefined - no prescaling applied.
VO: [directx] 16x1280 => 16x1280 Planar YV12
V: 0.0 2/ 2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0

MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_video
- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and
won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug.
I somehow wonder what you changed in the bitstream to make it "incompatible" ;) - personally, I don't like Nero ShowTime too much. But I'd guess that the DS decoder filters will do the main job, and they shall work being called from any DS media player. :rolleyes:

[bobololo]

Originally posted by LigH
Well - probably; the latest Mplayer (from celtic-druid) has quite some fun with it! :D

[...]

I somehow wonder what you changed in the bitstream to make it "incompatible" ;) - personally, I don't like Nero ShowTime too much. But I'd guess that the DS decoder filters will do the main job, and they shall work being called from any DS media player. :rolleyes:

We didn't change the bitstream to make it incompatible, the issue is that lavc (used by mplayer) doesn't support high profile stream. It's just like asking a mpeg-4 SP decoder to decoder bframes: it can't handle it.

[LigH]

Please don't take that little joke too serious, bobo! ;)

High Profile... :o sorry, must have missed this detail. That makes it clear.

[SeeMoreDigital]

VLC player can't play the two encodes bobololo provided either ;)


Cheers

[LigH]

That's quite clear: If I remember correctly, both Mplayer and VLC use routines of the same library - libavcodec. As long as libavcodec does not support "High Profile", no application using it does.

[bobololo]

Originally posted by LigH
Please don't take that little joke too serious, bobo! ;)

High Profile... :o sorry, must have missed this detail. That makes it clear.

No problem, however I prefered to clarify this since clueless people could mis-understand it and spread erroneous claims ;)

[Leo 69]

What will be the difference in quality if I use 8x8 transform instead of 4x4 one for low bitrate encodes (less than 1000kbps) ?

[Sharktooth]

Well... i would prefer a 4x4 transform for very low bitrates coz you're not going to keep fine details...

[berrinam]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why does the 4x4 transform handle low bitrates better than the 8x8 transform? Isn't that mainly a property of the quantizer used?

[Sirber]

4x4 squares are mostly plain color squares which gets blured by the inloop filter. Pretty effective in low biterate.

[bobololo]

I've posted a list (http://pub.ateme.net/~tsouthiv/volunteers.txt) of current registered volunteers. Please check I've forgotten nobody (PM me if I did). The registration period still continues until the end of the week.

ps: I've updated my initial post with this new link.

[Sirber]

Cool! :D

[berrinam]

Thanks for the explanation.

[subliminal]

i think that you forgoted me :( to include in the volunteers list

[Sagittaire]

Possible to make your new beta encavc with main profil (with last improuvements) and high profil ... ???

[bobololo]

As the number of signups for the beta is slowing down, I'm anticipating the second stage (testers selection) a little bit. The registration is still open until 05/27 though.

I've published a preliminary list of trustworthy testers and the remaining registered volunteers here (http://pub.ateme.net/~tsouthiv/beta2.txt). You can start voting for you favorite candidates right now by sending me a PM with your choice. I'll try to update as often as possible.

The trustworhty testers were choosen because they actively participated to the previous beta (by any means: forum, irc, etc.).

[acidsex]

Im not being picky but how am I a new tester when I was part of the last beta test? Wouldnt that make me part of the trustworthy camp? Afterall, Im not Russian and did not leak any beta and contributed all that I could. :) Hopefully this is an oversight.

[Sergei_Esenin]

While I don't post here often (except in the analogue capture forum from time to time), hopefully someone on the Trusted Testers list knows me from my daily AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?userid=7425165) posts or occasional Ars threads. I'm not a Russian leaker (my nic is a Russian poet, but I'm an American home theater enthusiast), and my nic looks lonely without any votes beside it. ;)

[azsd]

hi,bobololo,

stupid question
Is there the YUV 4:4:4 pixel formats avalible in this beta?

[bobololo]

Originally posted by azsd
hi,bobololo,

stupid question
Is there the YUV 4:4:4 pixel formats avalible in this beta?

No we only support 4:2:0 color space.

[bobololo]

Originally posted by acidsex
Im not being picky but how am I a new tester when I was part of the last beta test? Wouldnt that make me part of the trustworthy camp? Afterall, Im not Russian and did not leak any beta and contributed all that I could. :) Hopefully this is an oversight.

As I explained on my previous post, I pre-selected active testers from the lastest round. I've read again the 2 dedicated threads and I only noticed the 3 posts from you:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=539698#post539698
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=539703#post539703
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=542218#post542218

Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering those posts, it appears very hard for me to have the feeling you were very active and provided some key feedback. I may have missed something, in such case just point me to it and I'll correct my mistake.

BTW my motivation for keeping only active testers is because during the latest beta, a significant number of testers who took part to the test returned very few or even no reactions. Therefore, I don't see why we should take the risk to send highly confidential material to people who will just run the encoder once by curiosity.

I hope you can understand my position. Anyway, I don't see why you're so worried, they are many voters (more than what is needed to get all volunteers in). So if you're a good person, you will certainly receive the 2 required votes.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi bobololo,

Although I was not very active in the previous test. Am I trusted enough to nominate new volunteers?


Cheers

[ChronoCross]

Only one more to go....

is the CLI going to output to raw frames or to mp4? also is the CLI including audio muxing and subtitle muxing?

Thanks.

[acidsex]

Originally posted by bobololo

I hope you can understand my position. Anyway, I don't see why you're so worried, they are many voters (more than what is needed to get all volunteers in). So if you're a good person, you will certainly receive the 2 required votes.

I understand your position. My worries? I have no votes currently and dont see me getting two by tomorrow. But I guess I end up missing this beta this time around unless a couple of people wish to sponsor a teacher. :)

[bobololo]

Originally posted by acidsex
I understand your position. My worries? I have no votes currently and dont see me getting two by tomorrow. But I guess I end up missing this beta this time around unless a couple of people wish to sponsor a teacher. :)

There is one week to go before the end of the votes (check at the schedule). You have still enough time to fire up your campaign ;)

[acidsex]

I dont have time to fire up a campaign. I am too busy teaching public school during the day and college courses at night. Once school lets out for the summer, I will have nothing to do for a month or two.

Ok, Ill make a pitch. If anyone would like to sponsor a high school teacher that wants to use H.264 HP/lossless for archival and delviery of the school news show, please sposnor me.

[pogo stick]

Originally posted by Sergei_Esenin
I'm not a Russian leaker...
Originally posted by acidsex
Im not Russian and did not leak any beta...
It sounds like 'I am not a thief and I did not steal your car...' :(

Think about it.

[Sirber]

What if the leaker was russian? Does it changes something? No.

[CyberGuy]

Originally posted by acidsex
I dont have time to fire up a campaign. I am too busy teaching public school during the day and college courses at night. Once school lets out for the summer, I will have nothing to do for a month or two.

Ok, Ill make a pitch. If anyone would like to sponsor a high school teacher that wants to use H.264 HP/lossless for archival and delviery of the school news show, please sposnor me.
Well, I'm the Technology Coordinator for a school district and am interested for the same reason, but I don't think using a beta product for this is a good idea; you should probably wait until the final version comes out. With that said, I have 700+ computers available for the next couple of months that I could use to do multiple encodings with different settings at the same time, therefore finding possible bugs quicker. I've already got this setup using the JM Reference encoder so I only need to plug in the CLI Ateme encoder in place of the CLI JM encoder and I'm off testing. Would anybody like to nominate me?

[Sirber]

@acidsex

the codec is for testing only, not archiving or other things.

[acidsex]

The reason I would like to test this now is because our district HAS to make a decision in the next month on what codec we will officially adopt. Out of four people, one wants WM9, one wants QT H.264, and one wants Nero H.264 and that leaves me as the deciding vote. Thus far, Nero is the only one that doesnt currently offer a lossless mode and lossless is the most important factor for us.

Any beta testing would not be used in a production enviornment but simply as a test. But with the deadline we have in order to make the decision for budget reasons, I am not afforded the opportunity to wait a few months for the release to begin to make a decision.

With the way the current system is set up for selection, it really is nothing more than a popularity contest as to who gets selected regardless of who was in the last round of testing.

[bobololo]

Originally posted by acidsex
The reason I would like to test this now is because our district HAS to make a decision in the next month on what codec we will officially adopt. Out of four people, one wants WM9, one wants QT H.264, and one wants Nero H.264 and that leaves me as the deciding vote. Thus far, Nero is the only one that doesnt currently offer a lossless mode and lossless is the most important factor for us.

WM9 and QT H.264 offer lossless mode ? I didn't know that !? Ah maybe you're considering uncompressed RGB as lossless ?

Any beta testing would not be used in a production enviornment but simply as a test. But with the deadline we have in order to make the decision for budget reasons, I am not afforded the opportunity to wait a few months for the release to begin to make a decision.

I've nothing against you being a tester, but I really doubt about your argument justifying your need to evaluate the beta for taking your decision. Considering the codecs you have to choose, I don't see what the new beta would bring more to you. You should already be able to make your choice. It won't be very relevant from a budget point of view (we don't beta test the codec price ;)) and for the technical part, since there is no lossless mode for wm9 and qt7, there is no remaining choice ;).

ps: completely off topic, do your students know you're wandering around video forum using "acidsex" as nickname ? :D

[acidsex]

First, Acidsex is an old DJ name I used to spin an just never got rid of it.


QT does have a lossless mode as does WM9 (as close to lossless as it can get with Quality VBR.)Both file sizes are usually HUGE but still remain as close to lossless as possible. This is the major part of the beta that concerns me.

[IgorC]

Untill I know WM9 have a losseless audiocodecs but not video. Even if QT7 and WMV9 loseless exist it changes nothing. Nero AVC loseless will provide always superior quality (smaller size for the same quality)

[acidsex]

Originally posted by IgorC
Untill I know WM9 have a losseless audiocodecs but not video. Even if QT7 and WMV9 loseless exist it changes nothing. AVC loseless will provide always superior quality (smaller size for the same quality)

I dont disagree with your statements at all. However, I have the wonderful task of battling marketing hype that my bosses have got from M$ and Apple. But I have to have something to back up my decision other than my experiences with the main profile encodes I have done to validate my recommendation to my boss.

[jfehr]

'close to lossless as possible' isn't lossless. Almost any codec can be 'close to lossless as possible' if you throw enough bits at it. (Assuming there's room in the codec for that many bits, that is.)

lossless == exactly the same when decoded as the original source was. (not almost exactly the same.)


Originally posted by acidsex
First, Acidsex is an old DJ name I used to spin an just never got rid of it.


QT does have a lossless mode as does WM9 (as close to lossless as it can get with Quality VBR.)Both file sizes are usually HUGE but still remain as close to lossless as possible. This is the major part of the beta that concerns me.

[acidsex]

Well what I am saying is that those are the closest lossless mode that those codecs offers.

[CruNcher]

@acidsex
then guide your boss to this forum and let him see what the "real" advanced users say about this ;) i think every boss is smart enough not to take everything as the truth what marketing of a company (not important how big it is) is saying without actual proof and here you get that proof from differnt people from around the world :)

[acidsex]

Well I got one vote and much thanks to bonzi. Hopefully one other person will see me as trustworthy and then I can quit my whining :) Again, thanks bonzi.

[jfehr]

Anyone want to vote for me? I haven't had much experience on this end of the beta testing, but I've got plenty on the other side, so I know what information is useful to the developer when reporting bugs. (I used to port games for a living, if anyone wanted to know.)

As for testing, I have a large DVD collection to test with as well as Tivo content, and should be getting HD content soon as well.

[acidsex]

Again, my pleas and request for one more vote so I can join this beta test. The way it is looking after this weekend, I will fall short by one vote for this round. Surely someone here is like Bonzi and has a level of trust for me.

[LigH]

There are still a few days for bobo to update his list - some people still have some votes to spend.

[bobololo]

There are still a few days for bobo to update his list - some people still have some votes to spend.

It remains a few days to go before the official closing of testers recruitment :)

Btw after some internal discussions, we have conclude that ateme staff will have the possibility to submit some "golden votes" to allow volunteers they estimate valuable and trustworthy the chance to join the test. So even if you don't have any votes for now, you may be lucky enough to be directly promoted ;)

[acidsex]

Hopefully they will take into consideration thos of us who were on the first beta that didnt leak it and spare us with a vote to get us over the hump. :)

[Sergei_Esenin]

It remains a few days to go before the official closing of testers recruitment :)

Only a few days to go, and 0 votes for old Sergei. :scared: Ah well, not surprised since I rarely post here, and then mostly about analogue capture (laserdiscs, Betamax, VHS--fun films not available on DVD!). But, if anyone knows my daily posts to AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?userid=7425165), or can tell I'm a trustworthy fellow from my 1,200+ posting history there, feel free to slip me a vote. :sly: I have much unique material to test with, from analogue caps to ATSC HDTV, and use a 100" Infocus X1 projector for my display so I can very easily detect flaws many people with smaller displays would miss.

Well, that's my last pitch. [fingers crossed] :D

[JasonFly]

OhOhOh!!! Thank you very much LigH . I 've just saw that you gave me a vote in the "golden list". I'm going to prepare some samples for this beta test.

Bye :thanks:

[acidsex]

OhOhOh!!! Thank you very much LigH . I 've just saw that you gave me a vote in the "golden list". I'm going to prepare some samples for this beta test.

Bye :thanks:

Ditto. Ligh came through for me as well. Kudos :)

[DeeGee]

I guess I should ask for someone to vote for me to have any hope of getting into the beta... :p
So if you happen to be one of the trusted people and think I'm worthy, could you please vote for me. :thanks:

[acidsex]

I am surprised ChilledoutUK doesnt have two votes yet. I always thought Chilled contributed greatly to threads but then again, I dont have a vote.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I am surprised ChilledoutUK doesnt have two votes yet. I always thought Chilled contributed greatly to threads but then again, I dont have a vote.Agreed... I must admit, if I was elegible to vote, I would have passed one Chille's way ;)


Cheers

[DeathTheSheep]

Perhaps if enough non-trusted people vote, a vote should be allowed him. I mean, if a person gets 3 or more votes from other candidates who were voted for, shouldn't he be allowed? Just some food for thought.

[acidsex]

I havent seen anyone with three votes yet but if so that would definitely make sense. I suspect that chilled will end up with one of those developer votes. He really has been invaluable over various subjects here.

[LigH]

# testers who did not yet vote:

- andrey
- bill_baroud
- bulletproof
- latexxx
- mr_schizo
- plonk420
- spyder
- thegeby
So - no reason for panic. ;)

[jfehr]

Doesn't look like I'll get a vote. (Didn't really expect to, as I'm pretty new here.) Hopefully they're still considering allowing testers in that are willing to fax them some sort of picture ID.

[Andrey]

>># testers who did not yet vote:
>>- andrey
>>...
Crunch. Sorry.
And something f%$^ed up my internet connection - it is dropped every 5 mins. :devil:

P.S. Prepared StarWars 4 form laserdisk (copy form ld to DVD) for test. Very noisy... :)

[acidsex]

woohoo, chilled got his second vote. good to see that it worked out thus far.

[LigH]

I am rendering a video using Terragen - even the unregistered copy is already capable of up to 1280x960, this will be enough for HDTV-720p (1280x720).

I just wonder if it is easily possible to make this terrain, world, and script available so that other people may reliably reproduce the result and use it for own tests.

(Water ripples, the sun, and clouds are animated.)

[Prettz]

bobololo: I can't tell if your first post mentions this or not, but does this HP AVC encoder now support custom quantization matrices? I always felt that this was the most important thing missing from the MP AVC encoder.

[LiFe]

Good to see I'm as popular as ever : )

I'm hating this new bloated GUI, which has provided few advances considering the real estate stolen.

[Sirber]

Good to see I'm as popular as ever : )

I'm hating this new bloated GUI, which has provided few advances considering the real estate stolen.
Talking about recode?

[Manao]

Prettz : yes, the HP encoder will support custom matrices ( they are walled 'custom scale matrices' in the original post of bobololo ). The MP encoder wasn't supporting them simply because custom amtrices are part of the high profile. However, do not think so quickly that custom matrices are the holy grail of h264. 8x8 dct transform is imho far more interesting.

[LiFe]

Talking about recode?
No, bit OT, talking about doom9.

[Sirber]

No, bit OT, talking about doom9.
MeGUI? :confused:

[LigH]

No, it sounds like LiFe critizises the new look of the doom9 board. But this does absolutely not belong to the topic of this thread! :rolleyes:

[DeathTheSheep]

[O/OT, not real sure anymore]
Woah, I'm likin' it. Can't see what you got against it. I especially like how the messages are emailed to you so that you can actually see the new post in your inbox. Pretty cool. And the quick reply feature... very nice indeed. The whole thing is highly upgraded and is much faster on my dial-up machine.

[LigH]

Dear bobo,

in your "schedule" you wrote that the "recruitment" will be closed today. It seems, though, that not all votes have arrived in time. So I hope that you may consider some kind of "wildcards" for testers (e.g. which did not yet receive the required count of votes, but seem to be worth a try - concerning their overall board activity from your point of view, or several "nice words" from other volunteers). Of course, this will depend on the amount of beta testers you would call "optimal".

[FXsan]

So it will do monochrome, now, thus 4:0:0 ?
But what about 4:2:2, which is also defined in High profile.
This is definitively high quality (yet reserved for slightly higher bitrates, as for lower bitrates, it is better to first decimate chroma).
Is it hidden feature/parameter somewhere, or planned for next major release (you speak of a 6 months rythm?...)

Currently I'm still with Dv videos as source (4:2:0), but I was thinking of a 3CCD camera with digital recording, and there 4:2:2 does matter for final encoding. The new HD corder (JVC and Sony) seems pretty nice ! But I'm getting off topic, just for context :)

BTW a major feature could be with MPEG source file an option to keep the source GOP. It may not be optimum if the target bitrate needs a long GOP, but if it is to stay with a GOP aroung 15, it may be worth it. This way, we may have less artefacts due to movement estimation of the initial encoding (re-encoding transforming I frames to I frames, and no B or P frame to I frame) ?

[Prettz]

Prettz : yes, the HP encoder will support custom matrices ( they are walled 'custom scale matrices' in the original post of bobololo ). The MP encoder wasn't supporting them simply because custom amtrices are part of the high profile. However, do not think so quickly that custom matrices are the holy grail of h264. 8x8 dct transform is imho far more interesting.
I did some encode tests with the MP AVC encoder and, compared to an Xvid encode that used the hvs-better matrix, the AVC encode had way too much ringing all over. If I could have used hvs-better, most of the ringing in the easy to compress sections of the movie would no doubt have disappeared.

I would say that forcing the MPEG matrix set an upper limit on quality for animation, no matter what other advanced tools the codec had. So this is great news that the HP profile supports custom matrices.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

Nero Recode H.264 encoder is on my machine(Athlon XP 3200+,1 GB RAM DDR400 CL 2.5) is too slow,about 5.5-7 fps.

When will Ateme improve speed of H.264 encoding?

[berrinam]

:search: This has been answered earlier in this thread. Ateme have improved speed on the new version of their codec for the same features, but the extra features make it slower overall.

The current version can also be sped up by shortening the feature list.

[baer999]

Well better speed at the same settings... thats great ! How long does the beta test approximately go ? The difference to x264 will be much bigger than it is now, or isn't it ?

[ChronoCross]

Nero Recode H.264 encoder is on my machine(Athlon XP 3200+,1 GB RAM DDR400 CL 2.5) is too slow,about 5.5-7 fps.

When will Ateme improve speed of H.264 encoding?

your pc seems wierd. I can run it at 4.5fps on my p3 1.13 ghz machine with 256MB ram.......

[Sharktooth]

Nero Recode H.264 encoder is on my machine(Athlon XP 3200+,1 GB RAM DDR400 CL 2.5) is too slow,about 5.5-7 fps.

When will Ateme improve speed of H.264 encoding?
Please.... please... :readrule: :search: and stay in topic.
Recode, given its quality, is already the fastest encoder available.
If you have speed problems tune down the codec settings.

[peteag]

when will this version be avaible in recode?

[Sharktooth]

... after the beta test ...

[bobololo]

Dear bobo,
in your "schedule" you wrote that the "recruitment" will be closed today. It seems, though, that not all votes have arrived in time. So I hope that you may consider some kind of "wildcards" for testers (e.g. which did not yet receive the required count of votes, but seem to be worth a try - concerning their overall board activity from your point of view, or several "nice words" from other volunteers). Of course, this will depend on the amount of beta testers you would call "optimal".

While we'll start sending the terms on monday, I think we weill still allow late votes.

[bobololo]

So it will do monochrome, now, thus 4:0:0 ?
But what about 4:2:2, which is also defined in High profile. This is definitively high quality (yet reserved for slightly higher bitrates, as for lower bitrates, it is better to first decimate chroma).
Is it hidden feature/parameter somewhere, or planned for next major release (you speak of a 6 months rythm?...)

4:2:2 color space is supported in High 4:2:2 profile only so we won't support it for this beta. 4:2:2 is mainly used in very specific & professional use we don't target for now but that could change in the future.


Currently I'm still with Dv videos as source (4:2:0), but I was thinking of a 3CCD camera with digital recording, and there 4:2:2 does matter for final encoding. The new HD corder (JVC and Sony) seems pretty nice ! But I'm getting off topic, just for context :)

BTW a major feature could be with MPEG source file an option to keep the source GOP. It may not be optimum if the target bitrate needs a long GOP, but if it is to stay with a GOP aroung 15, it may be worth it. This way, we may have less artefacts due to movement estimation of the initial encoding (re-encoding transforming I frames to I frames, and no B or P frame to I frame) ?

The use of short GOP doesn't affect the quality the way your describe it. In the opposite it tends to reduce the whole quality of the clip since it involves the coding of I frames (which are also bigger) where they aren't useful wasting precious bitrate for nothing. Short GOPs are mainly used in streaming application (DVB, IPTV, etc) in order to limit channel switch delay.

[bobololo]

I did some encode tests with the MP AVC encoder and, compared to an Xvid encode that used the hvs-better matrix, the AVC encode had way too much ringing all over. If I could have used hvs-better, most of the ringing in the easy to compress sections of the movie would no doubt have disappeared.

I would say that forcing the MPEG matrix set an upper limit on quality for animation, no matter what other advanced tools the codec had. So this is great news that the HP profile supports custom matrices.

Your remark is quite interesting since it's a rather well adopted recognition that AVC considerably reduce ringing artefact over mpeg-4 asp. Could you show some samples where this case occurs (provided your settings) ?

[bobololo]

Nero Recode H.264 encoder is on my machine(Athlon XP 3200+,1 GB RAM DDR400 CL 2.5) is too slow,about 5.5-7 fps.

When will Ateme improve speed of H.264 encoding?

It really depends on the configuration you're using. If you choose insane number of reference, extra quality and encoding 1080p material it can be really slow :)

I would suggest you to check the prefered settings people posted so far in other threads.

[bobololo]

Ok now that we've most of testers in, we're about to really begin the beta. We'll start sending the terms on monday so please check your mailbox.

To proceed you're asked to approve them and provide your data so we can send by postal mail the information to access to beta material.

ps: the definitive list of testers will be posted shortly.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

your pc seems wierd. I can run it at 4.5fps on my p3 1.13 ghz machine with 256MB ram.......

Ok,I explain in details.I use standard AVC profile,2 reference frames,3 B-frames,low psyhovisual,and chroma motion enabled for DVD video input with no noise at all.Maximum number is 7-8 fps in second.And yes,encoder quality is Extra,GOP size is 300,and that it.I always use 1-pass mode for encoding.It's insane,but movie(1h 30 min lengh) is encoded about 5-6 hours.

Please,who can me give some really good advice how to improve speed of Nero Digital encoding,I tired of waiting anymore.

What is GOP,and default value is 300.Did values higher than 300 will improve quality,or not.

[LigH]

Your question still does not belong to the topic of this thread: Beta tester recruitment.

[bobololo]

I'm currently sending the terms & conditions, the resulting list of testers can be found below:

http://pub.ateme.net/~tsouthiv/beta2_testers.txt

[Sirber]

Answered.

[acidsex]

Lucky you :) I still havent recieved my email yet but definitely am on the lookout for it.

[acidsex]

Have all the emails been sent out? The reason I ask is because I still havent received it and want to make sure my spam filter didnt delete it.

[Sirber]

In any case, I'm not lying. :D

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Dear beta tester,

First thank you for your interest for Ateme MPEG-4 AVC / H.264 high profile
encoder and for your participation to our beta program.

[acidsex]

Damn, hope there wasnt a typo in my email address or something.

[IgorC]

Russian guy also has receive an email here :rolleyes:

[ChronoCross]

got mine too. perhaps it's a typo in your email. just pm bobololo with your correct email addr.

[Sharktooth]

Got it.

[Blue_MiSfit]

got my e-mail too :D :D :D :D

thanks to whoever voted me in!!

I will contribute everything I can to this process.

-Misfit

[dragongodz]

got mine and replied aswell. :D

[acidsex]

You all just suck :D

[Blue_MiSfit]

Any word on whether or not there will be an x64 version of the beta?

[Andrey]

>>Any word on whether or not there will be an x64 version of the beta?
You think it would be much faster ?
Or you simply wonna to test it ;)

[Selur]

got and replied to the email :)

Cu Selur

Ps.: A build with multithreading support would also be cool ;)

[acidsex]

Grrrr. Has to be an email problem. I am guessing Bobolo sent to the emails in our profiles which mine was out of date from last year. So I changed it and PM'd him. Hopefully Ill receive it tomorrow and reply to him. :)

[LigH]

(Another stupid "me too" thread tail ... :D)

Received, and replied.

[acidsex]

Woot, woot. Received and replied. Now I can be part of the me too posts :D

[Doom9]

uh guys, just to remind you that we do have a rule that does not appreciate that kind of posts. I'm glad to see you happy, but why don't you sing out your window instead?

[CruNcher]

think of the poor database folks you could be responsible for the next time it fails :D
btw me too ;)

[pogo stick]

Any word on whether or not there will be an x64 version of the beta?
Would be very interesting to test it!

By the way, what CPU is faster for new encoder? Intel or AMD?

I am rendering a video using Terragen - even the unregistered copy is already capable of up to 1280x960, this will be enough for HDTV-720p (1280x720).

I just wonder if it is easily possible to make this terrain, world, and script available so that other people may reliably reproduce the result and use it for own tests.

(Water ripples, the sun, and clouds are animated.)
Looks nice! If this thing is not too big to download and not too complicated to use, all testers could run encoder at the same settings on the same source to compare encoding time and fps on different CPUs.

pogo stick is very happy receiver and sender today :)

[LigH]

If, then I'd zip the small "world" and "script" file, and give you instructions on how to create the "terrain" file (it is reproducible). But I'm afraid the rendering time amount is horrible. Those with fast computers may be happy to just need few days, but on my Duron-800, I don't even get 100 frames per day, it will take around a week I'd guess.

[Sharktooth]

i've the registered version of terragen, i can enable the "ultra" quality too :)

[LigH]

Just a side note, if you are interrested:

Mplayer (celtic-druid's Tbird build 2005-06-04) in general plays the two test files (Harry Potter 2, Batman Begins), but the chrominance is shifted vertically against the luminance (around 4 pixels, I'd guess). But I'm not totally sure if it may be related to using YV12 overlays (they are not very reliable on my GeForce2 GTS). ffdshow plays the videos well without shifts (but it looks a bit unstable, jerky) via haali's latest splitter in Media Player Classic, output via VMR9.

[DeeGee]

Hmm... Might be just your GF2. But anyway i'm not noticing that. I have the 2005-06-04-AthlonXP build.

[berrinam]

According to Bobololo's first post, today marks the start of the testing stage. First impressions?

[thegeby]

According to Bobololo's first post, today marks the start of the testing stage. First impressions?

Hang in there, We'll tell you when we a) get the beta encoder and b) encode ;)

[berrinam]

Sorry, I guess I'm just too eager ;)

[bobololo]

Sorry, I guess I'm just too eager ;)

I know I'm late compared to the initial plan since I didn't have much time lately. I'm trying to send the login & password postal mail to testers today and I hope we can really start by the begining of next week.

[LigH]

Fine for me - Terragen is still rendering... :rolleyes:
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For those who want to have the same animation for tests:

- run Terragen 0.9.19
- create a new terrain:
+- use "Ridged Multi Perlin" as algorithm
+- uncheck random coordinates, use (0, 0)
+- move the slider all the way right (biggest terrain structures)
- switch to "terrain units" instead of "meters"
- modify the terrain
+- set a height range of (-12, 12)
- save the terrain (e.g. as "HDTV.ter")

Load the attached "World" file HDTV.tgw (@ mods: please approve the attachment).

- run Scripter
- use some useful image and script filenames (e.g. C:\TEMP\HDTV | C:\TEMP\HDTV.tgs)
- Frame Number: (1, 400)
- {no "Camera Pos" animation}
- Sun heading: (-20, 60)
- Sun altitude: (20, -60) -- oops: must be in Australia... :o
- Exposure: (4.0, 1.5)
- Shadow Lightness: (5, 50)
- "Create it"
- "Notepad it"
- as second line, enter "CloudVel 2,135"; save

Execute script. Go on vacation over the weekend.

[dragongodz]

mail to testers today and I hope we can really start by the begining of next week.
according to the local post office normal mail to Germany can take a week or so, so i assume its probably the same from there to here. as such some of us may not get the mail until later next week.

[Sharktooth]

same here, about a week. but we have a sort of cheap high priority mail service so we can send mails that takes no longer than 24h (national) or 48h (EU) to arrive. It costs about 0.60€ for a normal letter.

[IgorC]

I'm very sad saying that but I have some not predicted problem here and must dedicate some extra time to my job and exams. I haven't received beta yet. I hope it won't be a problem for somebody.

[Kurtnoise]

FYI : I received this morning my login & password by post mail for the betas tests...Thanks. :)

[Sagittaire]

and ... ???

[Kurtnoise]

nothing....Like I said, It's just to inform other people that they will receive their post mail very soon.

We need probably to wait other people to begin the betas tests.

[Selur]

snail-mail arrived here too :)

[LigH]

Me too... but:
uh guys, just to remind you that we do have a rule that does not appreciate that kind of posts. I'm glad to see you happy, but why don't you sing out your window instead?
This thread may be closed soon... ;)
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To add something useful to my reply:

My Terragen world has been downloaded a few times. Is anyone seriously thinking about using the same settings I proposed? Did someone have problems understanding my little "guide"?

[Razorblade2000]

here too... but I don't know where to input my data :confused:
guess betatesting will start when everyone got his mail :)

[chilledoutuk]

i got my details as well any chance of starting this beta this weekend?

[ChronoCross]

I'll be sure to keep checking my mail. Might take longer depending on how they sent it.

[Doom9]

alright.. bobololo will open a new thread for feedback in due time. Until then, it's time to disconnect the broadcast antennas.