- vaulues in prepare stage

[bteamfox]

I have been using DVD Rebuilder Pro for a while with no problems. I tried to back up my PAL version of Beauty and the Beast Special Edication and got some odd resaults in the prepare state -

Beauty...
-----------------
[14:14:52] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- VTS_01: 3,159 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 285 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 52,155 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,130 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 13,071 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 975 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 185,813 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,621 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 298 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 17 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 3,168 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 525 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 6,710 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 555 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 277 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 19 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 3,547,607 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 256,853 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 921 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 22 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: -20.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 500Kbs
- Space for Video : -567,774KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 500/500/500 Kbs
[14:19:24] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.
-----------------
[14:20:32] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- VTS_01: 3,159 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 285 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 52,155 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,130 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 13,071 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 975 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 185,813 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,621 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 298 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 17 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 3,168 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 525 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 6,710 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 555 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 277 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 19 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 3,547,607 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 256,853 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 921 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 22 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: -20.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 500Kbs
- Space for Video : -567,774KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 500/500/500 Kbs
[14:25:30] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.

The only other DVD I have problems with was Finding Nemo I didn't check the log but the out put was very bad. I will re do the log and post in a moment. Here it is -
Nemo...
[14:36:19] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- VTS_01: 3,351,914 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 198,054 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 404 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 25 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 348 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 14 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 179 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 12 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 10,869 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 906 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 854 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 29 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 19,933 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,903 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 24,896 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,917 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 5,309 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 428 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 2,828 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 5,493 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 186 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 290 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 27 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_13: 15,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,133 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_14: 130,702 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 11,653 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 43.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,199Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,324,698KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 8,602/500/2,199 Kbs
[14:41:10] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.

The Main film looked very poor so I did it in DVDShrink and it was fine. I noticied the reduction level was 43.9%. With shrink it was 70%. Even using stealing 33% the resaults were not much better -

Nemo 33% Steel...
-----------------
[14:45:30] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,351,914 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 198,054 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 404 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 25 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 348 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 14 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 179 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 12 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 10,869 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 906 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 854 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 29 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 19,933 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,903 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 24,896 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,917 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 5,309 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 428 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 2,828 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 5,493 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 186 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_12: 290 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 27 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_13: 15,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,133 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_14: 130,702 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 11,653 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 43.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,199Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,324,698KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 2.7%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 8,192/500/2,199 Kbs
[14:50:17] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.

Finally Log From Beaty & the Beast Enchanted Christmas created a few mins after Nemo -

-----------------
[14:52:55] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 1,891,594 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 101,697 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 298,975 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 17,998 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 239,058 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 18,752 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 424,793 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 25,501 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 80,174 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,851 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 85,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 5,569 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 407 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 27 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 357 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 14 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 251 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 27 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 15,643 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1,190 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_11: 43 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 1 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 72.5%
- Overall Bitrate : 4,350Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,730,254KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 20.7%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 8,602/819/4,350 Kbs
[14:58:25] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 6 minutes.

Like I said I have not had this problem before, and wondered if you had any ideas? Tried with Pro version 89 had same resaults so went back to .90a.

My CCE Setting are
VBR Bias:25
Quality Prec:16
VBR_Passes:9

I may use 33% Steel on a movie or not, apart from setting VBR_Passes to 9 and using the steel function I dont change any thing else.

Regards

Bteamfox

[Fishman0919]

Both Beauty and the Beast Special Edition and Finding Nemo have Multi-Angle/IlVu which DVD-RB right now is not perfect with. Link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86798) ...IMO 9 Passes (a lot of time to get MAYBE .01% more quality if any..)in CCE SP is a little over kill... 2 or 3 is more then enough

[bteamfox]

Originally posted by Fishman0919
Both Beauty and the Beast Special Edition and Finding Nemo have Multi-Angle/IlVu which DVD-RB right now is not perfect with. Link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86798) ...IMO 9 Passes (a lot of time to get MAYBE .01% more quality if any..)in CCE SP is a little over kill... 2 or 3 is more then enough

Thanks for the information Fishman0919 :) I hope this gets fixed soon as I just dont like using shrink after DVD-RB. Any ideas when this will be fixed? Or is it "watch this space". :)

Again thanks for the reply

Bteam

PS Is this true that there is not much point doing a CCE 9 pass. I thought the whole point was the more passes the better output you got. I can see the difference between dvdshrink and cce9 in quality, will it not bring cce down to shrinks level if I drop to cce 2-3 passes? Sorry if this is a dum question but it seems logical to me ;)

[Fishman0919]

PS Is this true that there is not much point doing a CCE 9 pass. I thought the whole point was the more passes the better output you got. I can see the difference between dvdshrink and cce9 in quality, will it not bring cce down to shrinks level if I drop to cce 2-3 passes? Sorry if this is a dum question but it seems logical to me

Thats up to you but I did and I am in the middle of an Encoder test...but one test I did here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91418&highlight=blind+test) was with DVD-RB w/CCE Basic (only can do 2 passes) vs DVDShrink and InstantCopy 8....The short is DVD-RB on a full disc backup (not moving anything) won..... CCE Basic is very much like (if not the same) as CCE SP with default settings.

I thought the whole point was the more passes the better output you got.

To many passes doesn't always help, in some test too many passes hurt quality... as a part of my encoder test I was trying to see what settings were the best for CCE Sp 2.70 at a given bitrate... I did the same setting on 3 different passes settings (2 passes, 10 passes, 100 passes... yes 100) and showed them to about (can't remember off the top of my head) 25 people.... pretty much dead even... 2 passes won by 1 vote... hey I'm not saying to not do as many passes as you want... but in MOST (MOST) cases 2 is way more then enough.

[jptheripper]

as for ilvu processing jdobbs said for version 1.0

[Carpo]

@bteamfox

try

VBR Bias:0
Quality Prec:36

see if this helps - i have used these on all films as well as runing it thru qmatop and have always had gr8 results wether using cce or HC (which im using now - same results as cce and less time - even on best setting)

[mrslacker]

vbr_bias=0? Really? That's interesting. I haven't seen that recommended before. What does a bitrate profile look like with that setting? Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of VBR, or does it just prevent undesirable bitrate fluctuations?

You like you're movie smooth too, eh?

I admittedly haven't read the QMatOp thread, so if there is wisdom to be found there, I'm behind.

[Rockas]

(which im using now - same results as cce and less time - even on best setting)
Here's a new thing... even Hank doesn't know about this (sorry I couldn't help my self http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/sonriente2.gif).

How many passes do you (usually) use on CCE?

edit:
I'm refering to the:and less time afirmation :D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by bteamfox
Thanks for the information Fishman0919 :) I hope this gets fixed soon as I just dont like using shrink after DVD-RB. Any ideas when this will be fixed? Or is it "watch this space". :)

Again thanks for the reply

Bteam

PS Is this true that there is not much point doing a CCE 9 pass. I thought the whole point was the more passes the better output you got. I can see the difference between dvdshrink and cce9 in quality, will it not bring cce down to shrinks level if I drop to cce 2-3 passes? Sorry if this is a dum question but it seems logical to me ;) Not even. 2-3 passes will look just as good as 9. What makes CCE such better quality isn't the number of passes -- it's the fact that it is a real honest-to-goodness encoder. There really isn't a reencode at all with "within-the-compressed-domain" transcoders.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Carpo
@bteamfox

try

VBR Bias:0
Quality Prec:36

see if this helps - i have used these on all films as well as runing it thru qmatop and have always had gr8 results wether using cce or HC (which im using now - same results as cce and less time - even on best setting) Really? It's running faster than CCE? On my computer CCE is about twice as fast.

[Fishman0919]

vbr_bias=0? Really? That's interesting. I haven't seen that recommended before. What does a bitrate profile look like with that setting? Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of VBR, or does it just prevent undesirable bitrate fluctuations?


VBR Bias 0 is no limit to the encoder (big bitrates swings), 100 is more like CBR... smooth

[mrslacker]

Oh, duh. I knew that... got it backwards! I guess I haven't thought about these settings in a while. Sorry, Carpo.

[Fishman0919]

@mrslacker

;)

[raddygast]

If using QMatOp what's the point of setting VBR Bias and QualityPrec? Those settings are both auto-optimized by QMatOp, supposedly.

[Fishman0919]

If using QMatOp what's the point of setting VBR Bias and QualityPrec? Those settings are both auto-optimized by QMatOp, supposedly.

Yes, both of those settings are optimized and changed by QMatOp...if you change one of the Quantization Matrices from "Encoder Default" in DVD-RB (QLB, BACH1 by DDog,...)that will have some influence on the outcome of the new matrix.

[Carpo]

@jdobbs to make the test an equal one both cce and hc were set at same passes - 3 in cce (1 inc the creation of vaf) hc did work bit faster on some films - im using cce 2.6 maybe 2.5 is faster or you have a better pc than me :) would give 2.5 a go but i can never find the checksum patch for it and i heard its not great at doing certain types of discs

still undecided between cce and hc

[jdobbs]

I see. To make it equal, though, you would have to set CCE to 2 passes, not 3.

[bteamfox]

I just tried Beauty & The Beast Special Edition again with version 0.92 here are the prepare resaults.

- Detected ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING on source.
-----------------
[18:42:33] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,159 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 285 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 52,155 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,130 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 13,071 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 975 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 185,813 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,621 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 298 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 17 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 3,168 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 525 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 6,710 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 555 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 277 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 19 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 3,547,607 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 256,853 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_10: 921 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 22 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: -20.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 500Kbs
- Space for Video : -567,774KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 7.1%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 500/500/500 Kbs
[18:57:46] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 15 minutes.

I see support was added for Movie only Mode in 0.92. Do you intend to have full support in the future, as I would love be able to work on the whole DVD.

Here is the resault with Beauty and the Beast SE in Movie only mode -

-----------------
[19:06:45] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.67.0.27 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- "Movie Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_09: 3,547,607 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 256,853 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 95.6%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,441Kbs
- Space for Video : 1,884,336KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 6,123/2,959/1,441 Kbs
[19:11:13] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.


All looks well for movie only mode but the LOW is higher then the TYPICAL Bitrate is this correct? Plus Space for move does not look correct either. One question is I forgot to disable "Steal Space from Extras" mode. Would this effect my out put it does not look like it would. Should this message be suppressed as there are no extras to steel from?
Best Regards

Bteamfox

PS Keep up the great work on DVD RB Pro :D I am no guru but thought any info my help you.

[jdobbs]

Please look in the README and the FAQs on this site. That disc is one of the few that has large amounts of ILVU -- and will not be supported until v1.00.

[bteamfox]

Oh ok. Thanks for info.

[Carpo]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I see. To make it equal, though, you would have to set CCE to 2 passes, not 3.

always thought that the vaf was seprate and not a pass as such - thats why i selected 3

i will use 2 on next film and see what happens

[jdobbs]

The VAF pass in CCE performs exactly like any other pass. In fact you could even do a one-pass VBR or CBR pass that creates the VAF -- and then perform a second pass later if you chose to.

[onesoul]

VBR Bias:0 It's overkill IMHO.

[Carpo]

so what would you suggest - only set it to that cus i do the encodes over night and have the time to do it - and looks good too :)

@jdobbs - you were right as always cce on 2 passes was little bit faster than hc on the same film - guess it was that extra pass ;)

[onesoul]

You didn't read this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=648816#post648816), did you?

Anyway I wouldn't go below bias 25 which is currently the default value in dvd-rb.
I prefer to leave quality_prec at 16 btw.

[Fishman0919]

@ onesoul,

Why is it that you continually rant on about VBR bias 40 and are telling everyone that that is the setting they should use... anywhere and everywhere from every encoder should have this as it's default setting to is will fix your cce sp 2.70 crashing problems to yielding better results on everything you encode. You did 1 test with 1 short clip and MAYBE bias 40 looked better... that really proves nothing other then it's your opinion.... I did several tests with 10 diff clips showing them side by side with two identical 65" HDTV's and DVD Players, showing them to 25 or so people who had no idea what was going on other then they were being ask to tell which one looked better... all agreeing that a lower Bias (10-15 ranger) looked better then a higher Bias (30-40 range) on pretty much all bitrate... somewhere around 4500-5000 raising the bias to around 25-30 helped with picture quality.

I really do understand that it's your opinion but it not the SOLUTION to every problem (if any) other then you think it looks good. Pretty much every other encoder on the market uses a bias of 0 so to say and I have read plenty of people saying that other encoder look better then CCE at lower bitrates or on interlaced video, HC, Procoder...Hummm maybe because they are not limited and don't have this settings. Granted that CCE SP cost more and well you get more... more settings to tweak with, faster encoding...

Anyway, everyone can take their own opinion from this but when someone goes around ranting about how one setting is THE SETTING TO USE from one test and his own opinion..... nevermind.

[onesoul]

Originally posted by Fishman0919
@ onesoul,

Why is it that you continually rant on about VBR bias 40 and are telling everyone that that is the setting they should use... anywhere and everywhere from every encoder should have this as it's default setting to is will fix your cce sp 2.70 crashing problems to yielding better results on everything you encode. You did 1 test with 1 short clip and MAYBE bias 40 looked better... that really proves nothing other then it's your opinion.... I did several tests with 10 diff clips showing them side by side with two identical 65" HDTV's and DVD Players, showing them to 25 or so people who had no idea what was going on other then they were being ask to tell which one looked better... all agreeing that a lower Bias (10-15 ranger) looked better then a higher Bias (30-40 range) on pretty much all bitrate... somewhere around 4500-5000 raising the bias to around 25-30 helped with picture quality.

I really do understand that it's your opinion but it not the SOLUTION to every problem (if any) other then you think it looks good. Pretty much every other encoder on the market uses a bias of 0 so to say and I have read plenty of people saying that other encoder look better then CCE at lower bitrates or on interlaced video, HC, Procoder...Hummm maybe because they are not limited and don't have this settings. Granted that CCE SP cost more and well you get more... more settings to tweak with, faster encoding...

Anyway, everyone can take their own opinion from this but when someone goes around ranting about how one setting is THE SETTING TO USE from one test and his own opinion..... nevermind. FYI I tested more than 1 clip.
And why are you making up that I tell bias=40 will fix cce 2.70 problems (which I haven't still experienced)!! I offered that suggestion but it's been shown that it doesn't resolve it.

As for your tests, I am beginning to take them in account less and less for someone who says QMatOP delivers better results... And I don't mean to be rude to SAPSTAR or put down his work, which has been making an effort of offering a new tool with a great concept, but still it doesn't beat default settings, at least for what I tested so far.

CCE is a great encoder for progressive and at this stage is my preferred one (mainly because of bias setting), and specially 2.70, but when dealing with interlaced content it leaves much to desire when comparing with hc or quenc. And it's not only me who says this.

As for other encoders not having a parameter like bias and it being (or almost) 0, that's exactly why they can't beat cce when encoding progressive source. But there's a strong chance it will be changed as is being already discussed on mpeg1/2 encoder forum.