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FlashBlade
8th May 2005, 21:45
Hello everybody,
In the last dvd I backuped, there were some "production stills" in the extras.
The problem is that dvd rebuilder (Pro) encoded the stills (I use CCE) (for every still there was a cell) so I lost the ability to use the buttons to go from a stills to another or to the main menu.
I am wondering if we could have in the future the ability to keep some of the original cells instead of to have them encoded.
I know there is rb-keeper (which I haven't tried) but I'm not sure if it works with the latest releases.
Hopefuly I'm clear enough...
Thanks.

NobbyNobbs
8th May 2005, 22:47
These kind of pictures are usually in menues, and are not encoded by RB, but when they are in a normal title, make sure that you do not delete "unknown" subpictures.

FlashBlade
9th May 2005, 18:45
Well, in my case that was not in the VIDEO_TS.
For the subpictures, I don't see the relation with my problem...

jdobbs
9th May 2005, 20:35
It should be working now. The stills and the subpictures are all kept. In the Pro Edition they aren't reencoded at all. What exactly happened?

jdobbs
9th May 2005, 20:50
One question. Your title was "Segment Editor" -- I don't get the connection?

FlashBlade
10th May 2005, 02:15
Here is the vts overview from ifoedit.
PGC1 is a short interview and PGC1 & PGC2 are the stills. As you can see there is 1 still per cell. Maybe it's a specific case, but DVD-RB encoded every cell (more than 80).
I actually put "Video Segment Editor" as title because with the ability to keep the original cells from the vob (in choosing in the Video Segment Editor) it would be much convenient...
Anyway I managed to put back the orignal cells using vobedit and ifoedit.



VTS overview:
Menu attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )

Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 1ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)
SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x20)

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:28:40.11 / 30 fps] (Programs: 4) (Cells: 4) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:49.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:49.15] [Frames: 3285] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 2] : time: 00:08:50.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:10:40.00] [Frames: 19200] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 3] : time: 00:03:20.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:14:00.15] [Frames: 25215] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 4] : time: 00:14:39.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:28:40.11] [Frames: 51611] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:06.24 / 30 fps] (Programs: 17) (Cells: 17) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.12] [Frames: 12] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.24] [Frames: 24] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:01.06] [Frames: 36] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:01.18] [Frames: 48] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:02.00] [Frames: 60] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[...]
[Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 17/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:06.12] [Frames: 192] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 17] [V/C Id: 18/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:06.24] [Frames: 204] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:28.12 / 30 fps] (Programs: 71) (Cells: 71) (uses VOB-IDs: 19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 19/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.12] [Frames: 12] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 20/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.24] [Frames: 24] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 21/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:01.06] [Frames: 36] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 22/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:01.18] [Frames: 48] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 23/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:02.00] [Frames: 60] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[...]
[Ch 66] [Pg 66] [Cell 66] [V/C Id: 84/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:26.12] [Frames: 792] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 67] [Pg 67] [Cell 67] [V/C Id: 85/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:26.24] [Frames: 804] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 68] [Pg 68] [Cell 68] [V/C Id: 86/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:27.06] [Frames: 816] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 69] [Pg 69] [Cell 69] [V/C Id: 87/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:27.18] [Frames: 828] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 70] [Pg 70] [Cell 70] [V/C Id: 88/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:28.00] [Frames: 840] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 71] [Pg 71] [Cell 71] [V/C Id: 89/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:28.12] [Frames: 852] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]

PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 90)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 90/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.15] [Frames: 15] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/yes/ no]

Menu Language Units: 1
Language Menu Unit 1: [English]

Language Menu Unit 1: [English]
Menu 1: [Root-Menu] (entry PGC) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
Menu 2: [Angle Menu] (entry PGC) (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,3)

jptheripper
10th May 2005, 15:15
would this be the perfect time to ask that a "keep as originial" option be added to the segment editor?

jdobbs
10th May 2005, 16:36
Good idea.

jptheripper
10th May 2005, 16:38
WOOT!!!

FlashBlade
10th May 2005, 21:08
That's just what I was asking...
Thanks.