Missing .m2v when encoding

[jdobbs]

HC is an incredible encoder. It may even be better than CCE at low bitrates. It's weakness has been its speed. I'll see how long it takes to encode a DVD with this new version... But it's probably more appropriate to let Hank315 talk about its new capabilities when he releases it.

[Fishman0919]

HC is really that good... it free and about if not the same quality as cce...the new betatest ver is much faster then the old one... it's on par with QuEnc and a tad bit slower then cce for speed for me (quenc about 2.7x, hc .13bt about 2.5x, cce sp 2.70 3.5-4x)

[jdobbs]

HC can be a little difficult to calculate because its second pass is about 1.7x faster than it's first pass so you have to average the two passes... while CCE takes the same amount of time for each of its passes. On my computer (an AMD 3200+) QuEnc is pretty close to CCE in terms of speed.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You can open the .ECL file while it is running... and look at the values. :D Sorry. You probably want to go to bed.

Still not done encoding, so I can't tell you how it went, but it looks promising.

This the data when using DVDRB 0.84.1 and CCE 2.7 (Trial)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"ERROR: The input file V05000100002001.avs is missing frames. Rebuild aborting

(It happend during the rebuild phase)

[file]
name=C:\\NOTTING HILL\D2VAVS\V05000100002001.avs
frame_first=0
frame_last=3175
encode_first=0
encode_last=3175

Here is the log when using DVDRB 0.84.1 and CCE 2.67 (Trial)

[item]
title=V05000100002001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=C:\NOTTING HILL\D2VAVS\V05000100002001.vaf
aud_file=C:\\NOTTING HILL\D2VAVS\V05000100002001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=576
frame_rate_idx=3
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=5382
vbr_brate_min=500
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
adjust_q_matrix=0
aspect_ratio=2
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
intra_dc_precision_9_max=113
intra_dc_precision_10_max=113
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frm=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
offset_line=0
create_new_vaf=1
credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000
h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0

/Eriksen76

[Joe_smish]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91282&perpage=20&highlight=settings%20for%20different%20encoder&pagenumber=1

I would like to try this encoder and see if I can make a successful back up with this since I'm having so much trouble with CCE. I tried downloading the file that you talk about in that post. After doing that I renamed it and put it In the DVD-RB directory right next to the DVD-RB application. I still cant find it in the setup anywhere though. How do I use this program with DVD-RB? I'm sorry to be such a pain. Im no good at this sort of thing and I always feel bad when I ask such stupid questions.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... that is a very high average and max bitrate for CCE to be choking...

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joe_smish
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91282&perpage=20&highlight=settings%20for%20different%20encoder&pagenumber=1

I would like to try this encoder and see if I can make a successful back up with this since I'm having so much trouble with CCE. I tried downloading the file that you talk about in that post. After doing that I renamed it and put it In the DVD-RB directory right next to the DVD-RB application. I still cant find it in the setup anywhere though. How do I use this program with DVD-RB? I'm sorry to be such a pain. Im no good at this sort of thing and I always feel bad when I ask such stupid questions. If you're using the Freeware version you have to use the QuEnc path. HC will accept the QuEnc command line options.

[Joe_smish]

Originally posted by jdobbs
If you're using the Freeware version you have to use the QuEnc path. HC will accept the QuEnc command line options.
In the setup do I switch the QuEnc path to whereever the hc.exe file is and then in mode I choose QuEnc. Is this correct? Any other settings I will have to change or is this all?

[jdobbs]

Yes. But make sure you use the "HCBatch..." file -- it is the only one that will take the command line arguments.

You can also create an HC.INI file in the HC (DVD-RB) directory that can set some of the other default values, but it should work without it too.

Do a search of Doom9 -- there are instructions somewhere...

[Joe_smish]

is it allowed to rename the HCBATCH file??
I named it HC.exe like it said in the post. As long as I click the right one that shouldnt matter correct?

[pg55555]

Joe_smish
jdobbs gave a very good advice. Try CCE with other sources. Likely the problem you experienced will not repeat with them.

Get first a working backup, to be sure your setup is OK before start trying more exotic ones

[TK8472]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Could you post your REBUILDER.INI file?

Here you go...

[Options]
CCE=1
RemoveDTS=0
idct7Opt=1
Completed=5
Skin=Windows Standard
AdditionalOutput=0
Backcolor=13484047
Mode=1
HalfD1=0000
Convert_16_9=0000
DisableInterlace=0000
HC_Quality=1
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=5
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
OPV=0
[Paths]
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.27\cctsp.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\dgdecode.dll
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb511.dll
Source=F:\VIDEO_TS\
Working=C:\DOWNLOADS\DVD_PROJECT\2-PASS\
Output=C:\DOWNLOADS\DVD_PROJECT\2-PASS\
[Audio]
Selected=11111

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Joe_smish
is it allowed to rename the HCBATCH file??
I named it HC.exe like it said in the post. As long as I click the right one that shouldnt matter correct? You can name it whatever you want as long as it ends in .exe and it is pointed to in the path.

[Joe_smish]

I backed up the troublesome movie with no problem at all with the HC endoder. Whats the best method of comparison so I can compare this to the back up I did with Shrink?? That was the whole purpose of this exercise.

[Joe_smish]

I just burned the DVD-RB copy and didnt get a chance to watch the entire movie yet, however, so far everything seems fine. I actually backed up the preprocessed movie. It was no problem at all with HC. I think it may have been somewhere with CCE, but just to let you guys know it wasnt the v2.70 that everyone is saying has bugs, I was having trouble with the Trial version 2.67. I'm not sure what the problem may have been. But I know that as far as I can tell it worked just fine with HC.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Hmmm... that is a very high average and max bitrate for CCE to be choking...

I'm sorry to report that this movie failed once again with the new setup!!

The same missing .m2v file error at the same place of the rebuilding stage.

Damn it (sorry)

/Eriksen76

[jdobbs]

Is the M2V missing, or did it fail in the rebuild due to missing frames? Look at my comment in this thread. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=92985&goto=newpost)

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is the M2V missing, or did it fail in the rebuild due to missing frames? Look at my comment in this thread. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=92985&goto=newpost)

It was the .m2v file missing in the rebuild stage

Will your modification solve this problem as well, and with CCE 2.70?

I am trying to encode the movie with HcBatch012 now

/Eriksen76

[jdobbs]

I'm confused. There is no "M2V file missing" error notification in the rebuild stage. There is only a "missing frames" error in the rebuild stage. If the M2V were missing it would flag it in the ENCODE stage.

[jdobbs]

Just an update to all. As I've explained, I think the CCE crashes are due to the way CCE (especially the newer versions) is handling the maximum bitrates. In order to attempt to circumvent that problem, I have added code to DVD-RB that will, after two failures to create an M2V file, increase the VBR maximum bitrate to that of the highest that is compliant with DVD. This is something you only want to do as a last resort, as it ignores the portion of the bitrate used by audio and subpicture streams -- the player's frame buffer should be able to hold the short offending burst that causes this. In the meantime I hope CCE works on their engine.

The new code will be in freeware v0.83 and Pro version 0.85.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm confused. There is no "M2V file missing" error notification in the rebuild stage. There is only a "missing frames" error in the rebuild stage. If the M2V were missing it would flag it in the ENCODE stage.

Sorry, typing error

Offcourse it was the "missing frames" error

Looking forward to the updated DVDRB version - When can we expect it?

I'm eager to try it

/Eriksen76

[eriksen76]

The missing frames issue was solved when encoding with "HC"

Movie works like a charm now

/Eriksen76

[Whitespliff]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is the M2V missing, or did it fail in the rebuild due to missing frames? Look at my comment in this thread. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=92985&goto=newpost) I think had both problems:
1. First RB said (during rebuild phase) that a .m2v file was missing, this was correct... I encoded it manually with CCE.
2. Second time I tried I got the missing frame error.
I'm using RB 0.84.1 & CCE 2.66.01.07 (trial)

I tried a third time with RB 0.81, no problems.

PS: it wasn't a 1 or 2 frame cell, cell was about 90MB after encoding

[pg55555]

Whitespliff

I think you didnt got it right: the "1 or 2 frames" referenced in the other thread is not related to the lenght of the segment, is that sometimes the "last 1 or 2 frames" are not encoded, and so are missing from the ouput.

As the newest versions include a framecount routine, checking the encoded frames vs the source, you get the error.

With RB 0.81 you do not get the problem because the framecount routine is not there: So the missing frames problem could be there but RB does not know.

If they are just 1 or 2 frames, as jdobbs says, it is not an issue, in the next release of RB he is changing the framecount routine to ignore such small missing number of missing frames.

But the error routine will try to catch larger number of misssing frames that a bug in CCE 2.70 (not RB) generates, and that when the playing the backup shows as a segment with audio but no video.

As you are using CCE 2.66, likely your case falls in the first group

[jdobbs]

Exactly.

[Joe_smish]

Originally posted by pg55555
As you are using CCE 2.66, likely your case falls in the first group

Does this mean that it should work for me with CCE next version of RB?? Barring I do everything correctly, which I probably wont;)

[jdobbs]

Let's hope so.

[Whitespliff]

Oeps, you're right, I didn't got that :rolleyes:
Tnx for the info & jdobbs, tnx (again) for this great proggie :D