What is best for Long term storage DVD-R or DV+R?

[mattius]

What is best Media for Long term storage DVD-R or DV+R? Also is there a really good manuf out there? Media seems to come from all over the place. Also would the answer be the same when using different speeds and/or Dual/double layer. Is there any diference between Dual & double layer or are the just different terms? I am in the UK.
TIA :confused: ;)

[communist]

Usually DVD-Writers are called 'DUAL' if they can do +R/RW and -R/RW , having 2 layers on one side is Double-Layer.
As for storage etc. there was an article from some american institute that was posted on doom9.org (or somewhere else). Grab the pdf file here (http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s304280/D9/CDandDVDCareandHandlingGuide.pdf).

To make it short:
- avoid exposing them to direct sunlight
- place them in a jewel case
- store at room temparature

Although RW discs are less sensitive to light, the heat that builds up by exposing them to direct sun light is not good for them.

[fccHandler]

Also the UV radiation.

[ukb008]

Read this (http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-5) portion of Andy McFadden's famous FAQ (http://www.cdrfaq.org) on this. It is an amazing store of knowledge.

Regards.

[mattius]

Exactly what I wanted - Cheers!
:)

[ukb008]

Glad to be of assistance.

Regards.

[theReal]

Read this portion of Andy McFadden's famous FAQ on this. It is an amazing store of knowledge.

The FAQ seems to be a little outdated - Kodak Ultimate Gold CDRs haven't been made for years (because Kodak quit making CDRs before DVD-R or DVD+R were even on the market). So maybe you can apply that info to DVD-R/+R, maybe not exactly, maybe not at all... (my guess is "not exactly").

As for manufacturers the only one that I have never heard a bad thing of since the late 90ies (and before I didn't buy CDr media) is Tayo Yuden. All the other manufacturers crapped out at some point (Kodak quit, Mitsui became bad, Verbatim had always been good but then came their 8x DVD-R series...). Ritek had always been of mediocre quality in the days before DVD, but now they seem to be very promising to join the "always good" league (a league with only one player left: Tayo Yuden)

[mattius]

Any chance of a list of Brands in the UK which are Taiyo Yuden? :confused:

[ukb008]

You can read about Taiyo Yuden Recordable Media here (http://www.t-yuden.com/recordablemedia/index.cfm).

Regards.

[theReal]

Sorry, I can't help you here... TY are always hard to find because they don't sell their own branded DVDs. Some online shops mark DVD-R/+R "TY" when the manufacturer is TY - this is about the only chance of finding TY discs.

I just got 60 Verbatim TY discs - Verbatim had this series of 4x DVD-R and +R in slim cases, 5-packs, colored DVDs (red, yellow, blue...) that were TY. I don't think they are still making them, the shop where I ordered them (http://www.nierle.com/) doesn't seem to have them in stock anymore...

[communist]

Originally posted by theReal
Kodak Ultimate Gold CDRs haven't been made for years
And what a shame - probably the best CDRs I've seen. I had some that were sooo scratched and but that were still readable without too much problems :)

[ukb008]

Quote from communist, speaking on Kodak Gold CD-Rs:

And what a shame - probably the best CDRs I've seen.

Yeah, I agree.

Regards.

[theReal]

www.nierle.com are now having TY 8x Verbatim DVD+R

http://www.nierle4.com/s01.php?sid=PG001008389831118827921211882792&cur=eur&sp=en&ag=1&pp=aa&bnr=2462

apparently only +R no -R :(

I haven't tried them (I would only buy them as DVD-R anyways)

[mattius]

Surely DVD+R is a superior format to DVD-R??

[theReal]

-R is the DVD video standard, it's more compatible with standalones.

+R is theoretically better for data, but apart from theory there's no difference.

[ukb008]

Now-a-days it hardly matters: players/writers are available that reads/writes on any kind without your worrying about what you are inserting.

An example of consumer pressure bending the manufacturers and confounding the warring behemoths in the two war-camps. Another example is soon coming: a unified Blu-Ray/HD-DVD medium.

Regards.

[Fiebre]

I'd recommend DVD+R simply because of bitsetting. You are now able to change how the player reads it from DVD+R to DVD-ROM. This means it will see the disc as a pressed DVD instead of a burnt one. In my experience this has made them even more compatible with older players than DVD-R.

[Rassilon]

Originally posted by ukb008
Now-a-days it hardly matters: players/writers are available that reads/writes on any kind without your worrying about what you are inserting.

An example of consumer pressure bending the manufacturers and confounding the warring behemoths in the two war-camps. Another example is soon coming: a unified Blu-Ray/HD-DVD medium.

Regards.

Sadly not always. My el-cheapo DVD player will play anything you put in it, whereas my expensive Panasonic HDD/DVD recorder which is less than 3 months old is extremely picky on what you feed it. I'm just thankfull that it reads DVD+RW's even though it's not supposed to read them.

[Rassilon]

Originally posted by mattius
Any chance of a list of Brands in the UK which are Taiyo Yuden? :confused:

Hi mattius,
Try this DVD Media List (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php?dvdmediadvdridsearch=TYG02.......%20) and see how you go...

I have just found this site that also sells them in the UK
http://www.jetmedia.co.uk/taiyodvd.htm

[ppera2]

My experiences, after 10 months of DVD burning:

Some Verbatim discs (silver serie) and Primedisc (Ritek) are harder readable. As I see, all they are minus (DVD-R). It seems that there is some degradation of dataholding substance. I even saw some dark spots on some disks.

Other thing: as I see, forcing read of such, harder readable discs is no good idea, because overheating by repeated secter read my cause permanent damage of datas. It stays especially for read with burners, which are generally poor readers. Best is to make pause, or even put discs in cool place like frigerator.
Therefore I plan to buy new DVD reader, because 4 years old Pioneer 116 is too weak now. Would Samsung be good choice? In tests it's usually very good...

[ukb008]

Samsung DVD drives have a little issue with the tray mechanism...

Regards.

[theReal]

It stays especially for read with burners, which are generally poor readers.

I can't agree with that - I have a Pioneer 106 (A06 OEM version) which is a very good reader. It reads everything perfectly. I can put in every disc, CD or DVD, so scratched that you won't believe it but it still shows only green sectors in Nero CD Quality Test.
I had a Pioneer slot-in DVD reader before (I don't know the model anymore, sorry) and it choked on discs that were only half as scratched...
This burner (the 106/A06) reads everything without even getting slower.