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NtegrA

5th April 2005, 01:29

I am currently attempting to use the new "Main movie and Menu" feature. Actually I am thinking that something has gone wrong as I can not get to the process (can't focus on dvdrebuilder) and the prepare phase has been running for way over an hour now.

My question is.. If I am blanking all the extras, should dvdrebuilder still go through the process of "processing" each VTS (creating .D2v's and such)? Also, my first attempt, I tried "no compression" and it seemed to just copy over everything to my output directory, so I cancelled that one.

I am going to cancel this try and try again, but if you might tell me if I am doing something wrong? are there options that may affect this feature? such as steal space from extras...etc..

Maybe I'm just too impatient.

UPDATE:

OK, details:

DVD is Angel Heart (Special Edition) R1
Movie and Menu Only (blank all extras)
No Compression (100% video)
Stripping DD 2.0 audio (keeping DD 5.1 and Commentary)

status output follows:

-----------------
[20:47:59] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 197,425 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 25,474 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 890,915 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 103,519 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 85,158 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 9,012 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 248,358 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 42,736 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 407,999 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 53,878 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 27,884 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 4,733 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 2,072,911 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Video demultiplexing...
-- Processed 163,170 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 46.7%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,487Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,046,930KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 3,665 / 3,665 Kbs
[21:07:32] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 20 minutes.
[22:28:50] Phase II ENCODING started
[22:28:54] Phase II ENCODING completed in 0 minutes.
[22:30:52] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_02
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_03
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 5
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 6
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 7
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 8
- Rebuilding segment 8 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 9
- Rebuilding segment 9 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 10
- Rebuilding segment 10 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 11
- Rebuilding segment 11 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 12
- Rebuilding segment 12 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 13
- Rebuilding segment 13 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 14
- Rebuilding segment 14 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 15
- Rebuilding segment 15 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 16
- Rebuilding segment 16 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 17
- Rebuilding segment 17 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 18
- Rebuilding segment 18 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 19
- Rebuilding segment 19 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 20
- Rebuilding segment 20 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 21
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_04
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 5
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 6
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 7
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 8
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_04_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_05
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 5
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 6
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 7
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 8
- Rebuilding segment 8 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 9
- Rebuilding segment 9 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 10
- Rebuilding segment 10 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 11
- Rebuilding segment 11 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 12
- Rebuilding segment 12 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 13
- Rebuilding segment 13 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 14
- Rebuilding segment 14 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 15
- Rebuilding segment 15 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 16
- Rebuilding segment 16 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 17
- Rebuilding segment 17 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 18
- Rebuilding segment 18 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 19
- Rebuilding segment 19 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 20
- Rebuilding segment 20 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 21
- Rebuilding segment 21 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 22
- Rebuilding segment 22 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 23
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_05_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_06
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 5
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 6
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 7
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 8
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_06_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_07
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_07_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_09
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 5
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 6
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 7
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 8
- Rebuilding segment 8 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 9
- Rebuilding segment 9 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 10
- Rebuilding segment 10 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 11
- Rebuilding segment 11 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 12
- Rebuilding segment 12 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 13
- Rebuilding segment 13 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 14
- Rebuilding segment 14 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 15
- Rebuilding segment 15 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 16
- Rebuilding segment 16 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 17
- Rebuilding segment 17 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 18
- Rebuilding segment 18 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 19
- Rebuilding segment 19 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 20
- Rebuilding segment 20 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 21
- Rebuilding segment 21 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 22
- Rebuilding segment 22 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 23
- Rebuilding segment 23 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 24
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_09_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...
[23:04:50] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 34 minutes.

Done.

Original is 7.78GB - Output is 7.09GB
Most VTSs were shortened during rebuild (encode phase was skipped), but none were stripped from final.

Anything else I need to give ya?

NtegrA

5th April 2005, 16:19

bump

jptheripper

5th April 2005, 18:14

no compression does not reencode
it simply copies.

you need to turn this off

NtegrA

5th April 2005, 18:22

Originally posted by jptheripper
no compression does not reencode
it simply copies.

you need to turn this off

Here is JDobbs' reply in the thread "Blank Video Files":

"If blanking alone is enough to make the DVD fit on a dvd-5, then use DVD-RB's blanking with the "No Compression" mode. Right now you have to keep the menus... that may change."

but to your response, wouldn't DVD-RB JUST copy the movie and menus? I don't need the movie re-encoded.

jptheripper

5th April 2005, 19:14

sorry missed that

-- Feature before/after: 3,665 / 3,665 Kbs

and

Original is 7.78GB - Output is 7.09GB

make me think that it isnt blanking at all.

Can you post the sizes (original) of each vts?

NtegrA

5th April 2005, 21:38

Originally posted by jptheripper
sorry missed that

-- Feature before/after: 3,665 / 3,665 Kbs

and

Original is 7.78GB - Output is 7.09GB

make me think that it isnt blanking at all.

Can you post the sizes (original) of each vts?

That's kinda my point. Didn't know if I was doing something wrong. Here are the sizes before and after:

Before
116,736 VTS_01_0.VOB
37,963,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_02_0.VOB
404,326,400 VTS_02_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_03_0.VOB
1,073,565,696 VTS_03_1.VOB
751,028,224 VTS_03_2.VOB
116,736 VTS_04_0.VOB
174,403,584 VTS_04_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_05_0.VOB
508,637,184 VTS_05_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_06_0.VOB
835,581,952 VTS_06_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_07_0.VOB
57,106,432 VTS_07_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_08_0.VOB
26,013,696 VTS_08_1.VOB
244,889,600 VTS_09_0.VOB
1,073,565,696 VTS_09_1.VOB
1,073,565,696 VTS_09_2.VOB
1,073,565,696 VTS_09_3.VOB
1,024,624,640 VTS_09_4.VOB
116,736 VTS_10_0.VOB
176,128 VTS_10_1.VOB

After
116,736 VTS_01_0.VOB
37,963,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_02_0.VOB
342,294,528 VTS_02_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_03_0.VOB
1,073,739,776 VTS_03_1.VOB
498,630,656 VTS_03_2.VOB
116,736 VTS_04_0.VOB
152,883,200 VTS_04_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_05_0.VOB
404,602,880 VTS_05_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_06_0.VOB
704,204,800 VTS_06_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_07_0.VOB
45,582,336 VTS_07_1.VOB
116,736 VTS_08_0.VOB
26,013,696 VTS_08_1.VOB
244,889,600 VTS_09_0.VOB
1,073,739,776 VTS_09_1.VOB
1,073,739,776 VTS_09_2.VOB
1,073,739,776 VTS_09_3.VOB
860,160,000 VTS_09_4.VOB
116,736 VTS_10_0.VOB
176,128 VTS_10_1.VOB

NtegrA

7th April 2005, 00:54

JDobbs, any ideas? I thought maybe upgrading to .82 would help, but i am getting the same result. The entire DVD is being copied just a bit smaller than the original.

What info do I need to get to you if above is not enough?

jptheripper

7th April 2005, 01:02

to me it seems obvious that the only thing being changed is stripping the 2.0 audio (hence the small size change).

my guess is there is a conflict between 100% (no compression) keeping all files, and movie and menu trying to remove them, and 100% is overriding.

jdobbs definately needs to look at this

NtegrA

7th April 2005, 01:14

I am trying at the moment with .82....

This time, I left in the audio track, and still the same thing.

Is it possible that noone else is running into this other than me?
Could it be the DVD itself? I guess I should try with a different movie.....

jdobbs

7th April 2005, 02:40

If blanking alone is enough to make the DVD fit on a dvd-5, then use DVD-RB's blanking with the "No Compression" mode. Right now you have to keep the menus... that may change.
I shouldn't have said that -- I wasn't thinking correctly. The blanking isn't doing anything when you select "no compression" (same for ReJig). I'll take a look at it and see what I can do for v0.83.

NtegrA

7th April 2005, 05:00

ok, so I selected CCE Mode / One Click Mode / One Pass VBR, and now my output is 2.38GB. :p (But it DID blank the extras as wanted)

It seems that the movie is being adjusted to space before extras are blanked instead of after...

[21:59:22] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP ECLCCE encoder selected.
- "One Pass VBR (w/analysis)" mode is enabled.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 197,425 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 25,474 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 890,915 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 103,519 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 85,158 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 9,012 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 248,358 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 42,736 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 407,999 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 53,878 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 27,884 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,733 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_09: 2,072,911 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 163,170 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 46.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,477Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,026,916KB

jdobbs

7th April 2005, 10:46

How big is the VIDEO_TS directory? That percentage represents the reduction before any blanking or slideshow setting is taken into account. That's because there is always the possibility that you might change it again using the editor before encoding. I'll modify it in v0.83 so it doesn't show when one of those options are used.

As a matter of fact, though, your post left off the most important part of the LOG. The LOG will also show the average bitrate for the feature before and after the blanking... the "before" bitrate is what you have gotten with the percentage reduction shown.

Why would you stop the cut-and-paste at the point just before the effect of blanking information is shown? :confused:

It would be the next two lines after where you stopped:

...
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 46.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,477Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,026,916KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: x,xxx / x,xxx Kbs

NtegrA

7th April 2005, 20:01

Originally posted by jdobbs
How big is the VIDEO_TS directory? That percentage represents the reduction before any blanking or slideshow setting is taken into account. That's because there is always the possibility that you might change it again using the editor before encoding. I'll modify it in v0.83 so it doesn't show when one of those options are used.

As a matter of fact, though, your post left off the most important part of the LOG. The LOG will also show the average bitrate for the feature before and after the blanking... the "before" bitrate is what you have gotten with the percentage reduction shown.

Why would you stop the cut-and-paste at the point just before the effect of blanking information is shown? :confused:

It would be the next two lines after where you stopped:

...
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 46.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,477Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,026,916KB
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: x,xxx / x,xxx Kbs

Sorry bout that. :rolleyes: Here is the rest of the PREPARE phase:

- Analyzing VTS_02 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):77,808
-- Sampling 768 of 25474 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=84: 85,912
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=95: 80,719
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=99: 79,087
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=101: 78,402
- Q Value selected: 101
- Analyzing VTS_03 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):357,873
-- Sampling 3108 of 103519 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=74: 772,398
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=189: 424,365
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=236: 378,592
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=254: 365,965
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=261: 361,620
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=264: 359,761
- Q Value selected: 264
- Analyzing VTS_04 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):34,744
-- Sampling 276 of 9012 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=66: 46,924
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=97: 39,248
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=113: 36,481
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=120: 35,526
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=123: 35,158
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=124: 35,049
- Q Value selected: 124
- Analyzing VTS_05 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):91,559
-- Sampling 1284 of 42736 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=119: 160,013
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=239: 121,592
- Q Value selected: 299
- Analyzing VTS_06 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):160,054
-- Sampling 1620 of 53878 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=86: 141,587
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=72: 153,311
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=67: 158,844
- Q Value selected: 67
- Analyzing VTS_07 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):10,316
-- Sampling 144 of 4733 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=117: 18,851
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=247: 14,438
- Q Value selected: 299
- Analyzing VTS_09 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):803,805
-- Sampling 4896 of 163170 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=52: 685,975
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=41: 814,773
- Q Value selected: 41
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 4,327 / 4,327 Kbs
22:31:11] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 32 minutes.

Would you like the rest of the log as well?

The VIDEO_TS directory from source is 7.78GB (see above, way above). My resulting VIDEO_TS is 2.38 (after blanking).

If I didn't have to re-encode, the "movie" VTS is 4.18GB (reason I had selected "No Compression" on earlier attempts).

NtegrA

10th April 2005, 19:46

Just as an FYI,

I redid the encode 1 last time (actually twice) using 4 pass (3) mode instead of OPV using CCE, and the result was spot on. The movie did end up being about 50MB bigger than the original.

I am now going to try with .83.

Such a great product. Thanks for all the hard work you do.

EDIT:

Just thinking about what I did with this encode, and of course the movie could be bigger seeing that I stripped one of the audio tracks (DUH).:eek:

NtegrA

28th April 2005, 21:56

Went back to this after just updating to .87a

All I can say is it's time to give another donation :D

This is exactly what I was looking for in the way of just the movie and no re-encode. Also love the way the VTS list changes depending on mode chosen.

Excellent work J (hmmm.. no smileys blowing kisses???)