pioneer dvr 109

[samlar]

Problem I had with pioneer 109

I changed out my lg 4040B for a new pioneer 109 and it worked great to burn my 4X disk. Then I read on one of the forums about the DMA being set to four. I went to control panel and checked my DMA settings for the 109, and I found it was set at DMA 2. After trying a few things I went to the computer BIOS and changed my secondary IDE controller from auto to DVD-RW and removed my secondary IDE controller and let windows install everything again. The pioneer 109 was now shown as DMA-4. This then caused the drive to have DMA failures and would not read any disk. I could not seem to get the DMA setting to go back to DMA 2. After some more reading on the specs. about needing an 80 pin IDE cable for 16X, I then remembered that the cable for my drives was 40 pin not 80 pin. Well a simple steal of the 80 pin IDE cable from my old computers hardrive and installing it to the pioneer 109 and it worked great. I then recheck the lg 4040B specs. They told me that it only needed the 40 pin cable since it only worked at DMA 2, Someone should post this in big letters on the forum for idiots like me so we do not waste our time.

SOME OF THE NEW 16X DVD DRIVES NEED 80 PIN IDE CABLES FOR THEM TO WORK AT DMA 4 AND BURN AT 16X. MOST OLDER DVD DRIVES ONLY NEEDED 40 PIN SO CHECK.

Pioneer info with drive said nothing about needing it for the DMA 4 setting but did for the 16X

[ppera2]

Is DVD drive ATA 33 or ATA 66 stays in specs usually.

How all it will work, depends from BIOS too. Some BIOS complain when no 80 pin cable, some not.

Anyway, 33 MB/sec is still enough for 16x burning, at least in theory. And as I saw, not all 16x drives are ATA 66.

I don't see more than 1-2 % diff in reading speed at my old Pioner 116 reader between 40 and 80 pin cable usage.

[onesoul]

My pioneer dvd-recorder 107d works with udma2 but my older pioneer (reader, 16x, 10x) 106 works with umda4.

[ppera2]

Originally posted by onesoul
My pioneer dvd-recorder 107d works with udma2 but my older pioneer (reader, 16x, 10x) 106 works with umda4.

Yeah... Sometimes manufacturers do weird things. Maybe it's because of used chipsaet specifications.

[Mug Funky]

the 80-wire thing is a bit of a red herring. it makes a small difference, but essentially normal usage wont be affected.

the real reason to use an 80 wire cable is because these drives simply aren't supported or really even tested with 40 wire cables. when you ring tech support, the first thing they'll ask is what kind of cable you have...

btw, you probably shouldn't burn at 16x anyway. bound to get coasters. also, the pioneer drives annoyingly work in Z-CLV (zone-constant linear velocity) instead of CAV (constant angular velocity...). this means the burn speed will be slower than a CAV drive, and it'll burn in speed "zones" that show up as coloured bands on the disc.

i use a 108 burner, but i keep it at 6x because (a) my computer just can't handle 12x+, and (b) it's all in 1 zone this way and the disc looks prettier.

hmm... maybe this should be in the hardware forum? or even on club.cdfreaks...

[dragongodz]

changed my secondary IDE controller from auto to DVD-RW and removed my secondary IDE controller and let windows install everything again
no the warning they should give should be more like
"DONT FRELL WITH THINGS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND" :D

[samlar]

I also noticed that after changing the cable and using nero to burn that the burning was bruning all the time. With the 40 pin I had noticed the percent burn would stop moving for a while even though the burner light still showed it was burning and then start up again.
This caused the time for the overall burn to take longer. With the 80 pin cable it does not do this and the time is what it should be.

[Mug Funky]

strange. usually the progressbar being at 100% for a while is because Nero didn't take precaching into account, or burning the lead-out (which can be huge if you're doing a short disc).

lol. Frell.

[ppera2]

Originally posted by Mug Funky
the 80-wire thing is a bit of a red herring. ....

the real reason to use an 80 wire cable is because these drives simply aren't supported or really even tested with 40 wire cables. when you ring tech support, the first thing they'll ask is what kind of cable you have...



That makes not sense. If drive is set to DMA 66 or higher it requires 80 pin cable.
My old Epox BIOS always complained when I attached Pioneer 116 (DMA 66 drive) via 40 pin cable. New Abit BIOS says nothing, but sets speed correct to DMA 33 or DMA 2 - as Win shows.

[dragongodz]

and this thread does not belong in hardware players but pc hard & software. :)