Adobe Premiere

[King_Diamond]

Is is possible to import and edit a picture of resolution 768x576 instead of 720x576 for a dvd in premiere?

[King_Diamond]

Any ideas please?

[nicco]

Just resize your picture to fit 720x576

[King_Diamond]

I meant capturing and editing a 768x576 as I normally use DV-PAL which is 720x576. I need a frame size of 768x576.

[King_Diamond]

No suggestions?

[alfixdvd]

I know,it exists a pdf document from Adobe: "Adobe Premiere for Photoshop Users", that explains the recommended format for importing images in Premiere.


You can find it in the Photshop CD or in Premiere CD. The name of document is : ps_to_pre.pdf

[King_Diamond]

Sorry, I meant capturing video not an image.

[communist]

Just dont use the DV-Preset and create your own profile/preset. Though you could aswell edit in 720x576 cause DVD doesnt allow higher res AFAIK.

[King_Diamond]

Hello Communist

If I create my own preset, which codec do I need to use?

You stated that DVD does not allow higher resolution higher than 720x576. So why am I having black side bars when played on TV and a normal DVD does not?

[King_Diamond]

>>>Are you trying to capture a video with Premiere in 768*576 resolution and want to know the correct settings for a Premiere project?

Correct.

Furthermore I would like to edit and export to same resolution, and to author it to DVD.

[communist]

If you're using Premiere Pro 1/1.5 then forget it ;)
AFAIK it doenst have a VfW capture mode or DS capture mode like earlier versions. The only way to 'capture' files in PPro 1/1.5 is via 1394/firewire (= DV ->720x576) OR import files to your project.

As for the codec you'll have to select the one used to encode the source video (files).
The correct settings would be:
Under the 'General Tab'
Editing Mode = Video for Windows
Res: 768x576 / 25fps
Square Pixel
Fields: TFF/RFF oder progressive (depends on your source)
etc.
Audio
Setup as needed
Under 'Video Rendering'
Compressor = codec used to encode source files

Since you're target media is a Video DVD you'll either have to resize your finished project in Premiere during export (not very good quality) or feed the finished file via AVS to your MPEG encoder (better quality).

[theReal]

If you're getting black bars on the tv you have the wrong settings somewhere. The source DV video is 720x576 as is the standard DVD resolution for PAL. You only need to change that to 768x576 if you want to watch the video on computer monitors only (but even then you can use playback filters like ffdshow to compensate for the square monitor pixels during playback).

I guess somewhere in the process of your encoding to DVD you're losing the 4:3 flag of the video, because 720x576 usually exactly fills the tv screen (because of the non-square tv pixels).

So, I can only repeat it's the standard to import 720x576 from DV (you can't get another resolution over firewire) edit the video 720x576, encode and burn to DVD in 720x576. You should get the perfect 4:3 resolution on the tv screen - if you don't, check all the settings in your NLE program and DVD encoder and authoring tool, something must be wrong there!

[King_Diamond]

I use Premiere Pro 1 and TMPGEnc as the encoder and author. I don't wish to resize if that is possible.

>>>>So, I can only repeat it's the standard to import 720x576 from DV (you can't get another resolution over firewire) edit the video 720x576, encode and burn to DVD in 720x576. You should get the perfect 4:3 resolution on the tv screen - if you don't, check all the settings in your NLE program and DVD encoder and authoring tool, something must be wrong there!

It's exactly what I am doing. I know it same as you but I dont know what's wrong. NLE and dvd encoder are all set to 720x576 but the black bars are still there. Btw this is only on tv, not on tft monitor.

[communist]

Originally posted by King_Diamond
I don't wish to resize if that is possible.
Its not possible. PAL DVD Video is max. 720x576. You cant author a 768x576 DVD, and even if you've somehow managed to it wouldn be Video DVD compliant anymore and might not run on standalone DVD players.
Originally posted by King_Diamond
I use Premiere Pro 1 and TMPGEnc as the encoder and author.
Make sure you're setting the Aspect Ratio to 4:3 and not 1:1 in TMPG.

[King_Diamond]

I will check TMPGEnc aspect ratio cause that's what I didn't check.

Does "square pixels" and "non square pixels" has anything to do with this issue?

[communist]

Yes. 768x576 would be square pixel and 720x576 would be non-square.

[King_Diamond]

So do I have to set it to square pixels? Would the picture look different?

[theReal]

No, 768x576 is 4:3 on square pixel computer monitors (not DVD compliant)

Every tv has non-square pixels and automatically stretches the 720x576 picture. Still the mpeg2 has to have a 4:3 flag so the DVD player knows it is meant for 4:3 full screen.

[King_Diamond]

I checked the video settings in Premiere once again and noticed that the 4:3 aspect ratio is greyed out and not ticked.

How can I tick it and does it make a difference?

[communist]

You have to set the 4:3 flag in your MPEG encoder , which in your case would be TMPG :o

I repeat in other words: Capture / Import 720x576 footage in Premiere, do the editing, export your AVI (as 720x576).
Open your AVI in TMPG and set it to 4:3.

OR

Capture / Import 768x576 footage in Premiere, do the editing, export your AVI (as 768x576).
Import your AVI into TMPG using AviSynth and resizing it to 720x576. Set the 4:3 flag in TMPG and encode.

In both cases you should get a mpeg file that gets automatically stretched to 768x576 during playback - giving you a proper 4:3 aspect ratio.

[King_Diamond]

TMPG is already set to 4:3 aspect ratio. So I am wondering that the problem is the setting in Premiere. Don't you agree?

[communist]

I dont follow your logic.
This (http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s304280/D9/rc.avi) is an DV avi - 720x576. With 1:1 aspect ratio it looks 'wrong', stretching it to 4:3 makes the circle look round as it should.
I opened it up in TMPG and encoded it with the the Source- / Aspect Ratio set to 4:3, the resulting mpeg (4:3) (http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s304280/D9/rc_4-3.m1v) stream gets automatically stretched to 768x576 -> the circle isnt squeezed anymore.

Now the same source but encoded with 1:1 Aspect Ratio -> resulting in a mpeg (1:1) (http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s304280/D9/rc_1-1.m1v) file with a squeezed circle and black boarders on the left and right when switched to fullscreen.

I simply dont see how your problem is connected to the settings you use in Premiere, as it just outputs an AVI file where IIRC no AR is stored and even if most software players / decoders ignore it :confused:

[King_Diamond]

I don't know if the problem is from Premiere's settings or anywhere else. I'm trying to figure it out. I tried all the suggestions in this post and the problem still persists.

I have no idea why this is happening so I am considering all options.

[theReal]

When you capture with Premiere Pro and use the standard DV setting (PAL or NTSC) then the pixel ratio is automatically set to "D1/DV PAL" (or NTSC). I can't see anything going wrong here except if you use the DV widescreen preset on capture (or if you manually alter the preset aspect ratio to "square pixel").

What DV codec are you using? Maybe the DV filter has settings that convert DV to 1:1 for square pixel monitors? AFAIK the MS codec doesn't have such a setting, but I don't know about others.

[King_Diamond]

Yes the Premiere setting is D1/DV PAL and using Microsoft DV Codec.

It seems that I was doing exactly as you suggested but the problem still persists. I can understand the reason.